Armour/evasion hybrid needs some serious love

It's the worst kind of defense in the game. Other hybrids are being carried by how strong ES is, plus evasion synergizes with ES, and armour/es has some cool interaction in the tree and that aura which gives you armour from lost ES. In addition, you can grab armour applies to ele or deflection.

Amour/evasion has none of that. There are nodes which gives stun and elemental threshold (we got charms for that) and immunity to poison or bleeding, but that's it.

There's only two nodes which give armour from evasion and evasion from armour and the numbers are laughable. Yes, the sum of armour+evasion on gear is slightly bigger than on pure gear not by much. And then we can just convert it all to armour with a keystone.


There are no auras which synergizes with armour/evasion.

And after deflect and armour to ele got introduced, the hybrid got even worse in comparison because you can't fully invest in both. You may choose to invest in, say, armour applies to elemental, but since you don't have as much armour it's a poor investment.

It's so bad that nobody's even talking about it.

+1
but even that armour/ES looks to be on the radar to kill it dead in the water based on how its recently changed its description poe2db compared to launch.

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Tynatyna#5552 wrote:

+1
but even that armour/ES looks to be on the radar to kill it dead in the water based on how its recently changed its description poe2db compared to launch.

Well that kind of makes sense otherwise folks would just use it on pure ES builds. It's still very strong and armour/evasion got nothing even close to it.

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

You may choose to invest in, say, armour applies to elemental, but since you don't have as much armour it's a poor investment.

If you want Armor/Evasion, instead of applying armor to elemental, go Pathfinder Warrior, take the ascendancy node that applies Evasion to elemental DR, and take nodes in the merc area that scale both armor and evasion.

Spec into blind to buff your evasion and deflection, and you'll be hard to kill.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

You may choose to invest in, say, armour applies to elemental, but since you don't have as much armour it's a poor investment.

If you want Armor/Evasion, instead of applying armor to elemental, go Pathfinder Warrior, take the ascendancy node that applies Evasion to elemental DR, and take nodes in the merc area that scale both armor and evasion.

Spec into blind to buff your evasion and deflection, and you'll be hard to kill.

Why not just go full evasion then?

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

Why not just go full evasion then?

I did that in 0.3. Build link in my signature. In 0.4, there's access to the Warrior, meaning access to armor nodes for physical damage reduction. That would improve on my 0.3 build, which had phys damage one-shots as the only weak point. I dealt with that by dodge rolling, but it would be nice to get a bit more support.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

Why not just go full evasion then?

I did that in 0.3. Build link in my signature. In 0.4, there's access to the Warrior, meaning access to armor nodes for physical damage reduction. That would improve on my 0.3 build, which had phys damage one-shots as the only weak point. I dealt with that by dodge rolling, but it would be nice to get a bit more support.

I'm sorry but your build has just north of 2k hp. You *may* get enough armour on a *pure armour build* to mitigate enough damage to save you from *some* of the oneshots, but it's not going to be possible on an armour/evasion setup, since it cuts both your armour and evasion by like 40%. Yeah you can go to warrior side of the tree to get some of them juicy armour nodes but then they will do nothing for your evasion, and because you use hybrid gear you still won't have enough armour to really matter.

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

Why not just go full evasion then?

I did that in 0.3. Build link in my signature. In 0.4, there's access to the Warrior, meaning access to armor nodes for physical damage reduction. That would improve on my 0.3 build, which had phys damage one-shots as the only weak point. I dealt with that by dodge rolling, but it would be nice to get a bit more support.

I'm sorry but your build has just north of 2k hp. You *may* get enough armour on a *pure armour build* to mitigate enough damage to save you from *some* of the oneshots, but it's not going to be possible on an armour/evasion setup, since it cuts both your armour and evasion by like 40%. Yeah you can go to warrior side of the tree to get some of them juicy armour nodes but then they will do nothing for your evasion, and because you use hybrid gear you still won't have enough armour to really matter.

Don't use hybrid gear. Use pieces that are only armor or only evasion. Higher total numbers.

Dodge roll saves you from the one-shots. This isn't PoE1. You don't need to tank every hit. You need to be able to handle incidental hits and ground degen, while you roll behind the boss and backstab.

That character beat Ubers on normal with very little investment.

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DistributedAutomaton#5739 wrote:

Don't use hybrid gear. Use pieces that are only armor or only evasion. Higher total numbers.

Doesn't matter if you use hybrid gear or different pieces of gear. You still won't get enough of either armour or evasion.

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You don't need to tank every hit.

I'm literally responding to you:

> That would improve on my 0.3 build, **which had phys damage one-shots as the only weak point**. I dealt with that by dodge rolling, but it would be nice to get a bit more support.

...and armour on armour/evasion build doesn't save you from one one-shots. I.e. it's better to go either pure armour or pure evasion. Which is the point i'm making here.

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That character beat Ubers on normal with very little investment.

You can beat ubers on basically any build, esp. in SC. Doesn't mean it's good.

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onetruelai#7327 wrote:

You can beat ubers on basically any build

I'd suggest you describe exactly what you want as a change, because it isn't clear right now. I said the pure Evasion was hardcore-viable. You disagreed with me, but now you are agreeing -- more than agreeing, saying almost any build could do it. Well ok, if any build is enough, there's nothing to fix.