GGG left with NZ$22.6 mil cash (down from NZ$60.8m)
" The only reliable things we can learn from that financial reporting is that a) Tencent was paid out a high dividend b) GGG was so profitable that they were able to pay it out Factor in they've grown in staff from ~180 employees in April 2024 to now 240 employees and consider most of these people will be game designers or developers, and you end up with 8-11 million in extra wages. That's also an investment into the future of the game that you are willing to ignore just to dunk on some financial statement The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge. Last edited by ArtCrusade#4438 on Jan 5, 2026, 12:24:20 PM
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1st - Source is literally "dude trust me", financial report for 2025 isnt even out yet, youre stating figures that 1y old...
2nd - OP shows a deep lack if understanding of financial statements and companies operation/ buisnees model and valuation 3rd - GGG is a subsidiary, meaning that if needed it will get financial support (Cash flow) from parent company, also in this type of arragment the subsidiaries tend to pay out profits to the mother company. The fact that they paid out dividends is a good sign in this case, means they had the "excess" money on hand to do it. If you think GGG is in any danger of callapsing you must be out of your damn mind lol |
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He wants GGG to fail so bad, he is going to misread, misinterpret and make his own reality.
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@GhostRequiem#3657,
With a simple google search there's news sites from New Zealand https://www.nbr.co.nz/tech/grinding-gear-games-pays-nearly-100m-to-100-chinese-owner/ including on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinding_Gear_Games how Grinding Gear Games paid almost NZ$100 million in dividends to Tencent in 2025, so much for "trust me bro". ...and no, its investors won't happily keep handing significant cash, investing more unless there's a certain and significant returns on it, which GGG has to prove with the remaining cash they have at disposal, and now with more hired employees to maintain both games. PoE1 + PoE2 combined now in these expanded markets / regions and on console most likely generates similar revenue what PoE1 did years ago. What I'm saying is the company didn't grow in value as it spent more cash, while also hiring more employees that are needed for maintenance / continued development of both games. The fact both PoE1 + PoE2 early access after a year continues to experience a significant drop in retention, which can be seen from my post above is not going to convince the investors to make investments, especially significant ones. It makes sense why GGG is on a tight schedule with both games, as well as what the PoE1 only enjoyers didn't receive during the holiday season, like GGG hosted events or from streamers like the Gauntlet. For a company that's using a F2P monetizing model it solely depends on retention for support and if PoE1 + PoE2 continue to lose most of its playerbase within the first out of four months it's not making a convincing case to its parent company / investors. Example, PoE2 0.3 + 0.4 I have around few hours total play time combined, while PoE1 3.28 I convinced myself to enjoy it for around a month at best. Finally, GGG doesn't have anymore new markets / countries / regions it can expand to advertise and sell its product, which means retaining the current will be even more important. Last edited by Kopogero#0635 on Jan 5, 2026, 3:29:57 PM
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" They paid out a dividend of 98M (in 2025), form profits earned in year end September 2024. The news report you're citing is from july 2025 after they published their earning from year end 2024. Its over 6 months old. Also POE2 released in december 2024, meaning these statements do not, in fact, include any revenue from POE2... So you'll only see the effects of POE2 in the next financial statements, which arent released yet and then you'll see that GGG clearly isnt "starving". Before you start ranting maybe you should get a a bit more educated on how to read financial statements, or maybe, on how to read dates, that's pretty important too. You are bringing no new information to the table. Have a nice day. PS: new zealand has free public information on companies financial statments, maybe you can feed the PDF's to chat gpt if you can't read them yourself. SOURCE: https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1887410/documents Last edited by GhostRequiem#3657 on Jan 5, 2026, 5:30:42 PM
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/thread lol
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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@GhostRequiem#3657
Which part you're missing when it clearly states GGG is left with 22.6 mil NZD in cash, which was disclosed in July 2025 AFTER all expenses and then the 97.8 NZD paid to Sixjoy / Tencent in dividends. This is also the best and most accurate info available, because that financial statement that was SUPPOSED to be publicly available as you claim from September / October of 2024 until the same period of 2025 wasn't disclosed (which included PoE2 early access) and I know why, but others clearly don't yet, but they're welcomed to educate themselves to figure that part. I opened this thread, because it would be useful to the community to understand from a financial perspective where the company is now, why and what to expect going forward, so they can make decisions based on that. We all want to be optimistic with hope for what we care, especially given how many of us have supported this particular game and company, and significantly more than any other. Have a nice day (or evening now) to you as well. |
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" Once again you show a clear lack of the most basic comprehension on how to read financial statements, and a clear lack of willingness to learn. but I’m here to help The figures you see are from 30th of September 2024 They had 22.6M nz$ in 30th SPETEMBER 2024. before the release of POE2. and Not july 2025! July 2025 is the date of the report, talking about figures of September 2024, how is that hard for you to understand, (does your helmet have and empty sockets??) They paid out the dividend in 2025, after the release and massive success of POE2 with money they earned through poe2/poe1 in 2025, also Jonathan stated that just the early access launch already covered all POE2 dev costs so they’re making bank. The dividend was paid with money earned in 2025. Im not going to explain you how dividends work and the fact that they're paid after the fact, and when the company has monay to do so, and how revenue and cash flow/profits aren't always related because that simple concept would clearly make your head explode. The report isn't ready for 2025 because they need to be audited to make sure the numbers are correct, This takes time a few months at least, as you can see for them to release the September figures for 2024 it took until July of 2025. Stop spreading misinformation on these forums. Get educated on what you're talking about. Pro tip you can ask ChatGPT the following "explain how financial report work and how to interpret them, if i was 5 years old and couldn't read" it will probably give you a bare bones explanation,[Removed by Support] Last edited by JC_GGG#0000 on Jan 6, 2026, 6:56:40 AM
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" Looking at when they released their financial statements in previous years: For year ending Sep 2024, Jul '25 For year ending Sep 2023, Mar '24 For year ending Sep 2022, Jan '23 For year ending Sep 2021, Feb '22 For year ending Sep 2020, Mar '21 For 6 mo ending Sep 2019, Mar '21 (change for reporting month filed in Jun '19) For year ending Mar 2019, Aug '19 (there are no early online-available financial statements at https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1887410/documents) With the most recent report being an exception, they usually release their financial statements 4-6 months after their reporting month. The last time they changed their reporting month, though, there was a longer delay for the report for the shorter period. If these trends hold, would expect to see a report for the year ending Sep 2025 some time before the end of March, and a report for the Sep-Dec 2025 period probably coming with their report for the year ending Dec 2026. |
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I weep for the future of humanity. People believe AI without question now.
Who knows when the October 2024 onwards report will be made public but unfortunately for us PoE 2 non-enjoyers it's likely to show absolutely massive revenue when it does come out. |
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