Nothing like a 10 minute session to make you want to quit all GGG games forever.

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arandan#3174 wrote:

Okay so since you've bailed out, let me post a little PSA for anybody who is facing the same 'problem'.

This mechanic was never intended to be played this way; if it was, then obtaining locks would've been somewhat deterministic.
Don't push things to the absolute extreme and then complain when something goes wrong.

To the developers: do better and perform minimal play tests with personnel actually thinking like an end game player; start treating this game as an actual beta and tweak things more often than once per quarter, or this title is going to be in development for the next half decade.

Very true. I just want to repeat this PSA. Don't stress yourself out playing videogames! xD No one expects you to push things to the absolute extreme. You are doing it to yourself. Why not focus on content and pacing that actually gives you joy, instead?

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ac429#4687 wrote:

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arandan#3174 wrote:

Okay so since you've bailed out, let me post a little PSA for anybody who is facing the same 'problem'.

This mechanic was never intended to be played this way; if it was, then obtaining locks would've been somewhat deterministic.
Don't push things to the absolute extreme and then complain when something goes wrong.

To the developers: do better and perform minimal play tests with personnel actually thinking like an end game player; start treating this game as an actual beta and tweak things more often than once per quarter, or this title is going to be in development for the next half decade.

Very true. I just want to repeat this PSA. Don't stress yourself out playing videogames! xD No one expects you to push things to the absolute extreme. You are doing it to yourself. Why not focus on content and pacing that actually gives you joy, instead?

but people play games to do what they cant in real life, if you cant do what you want in a game, why bother then?

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TOP_BOMJIK#4977 wrote:

but people play games to do what they cant in real life, if you cant do what you want in a game, why bother then?

Okay, that's a good point. I had to think about that a bit.

Ultimately, I think there are different kinds of games for different audiences. Some people want to do stuff they can't in real life. Some people want to have fun. Some want a challenge or a grind. Some don't. Some people are collaborative, some competitive, while some want to play on their own.

In that case, it doesn't make sense to play a game that does not cater to you. PoE seems to cater to a competitive, market driven audience. It's not quite as competitive as counterstrike, or league of legends, but it's competitive enough for us to get bothered about someone else's div/hour. That's the audience.

I think if someone wants to play as something they cannot be in real life, then yeah, I think don't bother with PoE. Maybe try Titan Quest 2, or No Rest For The Wicked. Those are both great games that are designed for a single player experience. I think they cater to the type of player you describe and do a good job, so don't they deserve the time, money and attention?

I just realize this kind of sounds like gate-keeping. I don't mean to. I want people to enjoy the games they play. Towards that, I think it's prudent to be picky about what you play and spend your own precious time on. No one suffers but yourself, if you keep running against a wall.

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ac429#4687 wrote:

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TOP_BOMJIK#4977 wrote:

but people play games to do what they cant in real life, if you cant do what you want in a game, why bother then?

Okay, that's a good point. I had to think about that a bit.

Ultimately, I think there are different kinds of games for different audiences. Some people want to do stuff they can't in real life. Some people want to have fun. Some want a challenge or a grind. Some don't. Some people are collaborative, some competitive, while some want to play on their own.

In that case, it doesn't make sense to play a game that does not cater to you. PoE seems to cater to a competitive, market driven audience. It's not quite as competitive as counterstrike, or league of legends, but it's competitive enough for us to get bothered about someone else's div/hour. That's the audience.

I think if someone wants to play as something they cannot be in real life, then yeah, I think don't bother with PoE. Maybe try Titan Quest 2, or No Rest For The Wicked. Those are both great games that are designed for a single player experience. I think they cater to the type of player you describe and do a good job, so don't they deserve the time, money and attention?

I just realize this kind of sounds like gate-keeping. I don't mean to. I want people to enjoy the games they play. Towards that, I think it's prudent to be picky about what you play and spend your own precious time on. No one suffers but yourself, if you keep running against a wall.

the thing is that poe 2 was internally pitched like game for broader audience, they even added things to loosen up game complexity like this whole system that allows you to hover over terms, in passive skill window there whole menu explaining passive points and ascendancy passives, even tutorial area is there, skill gem socketing rework.

yet they failed after that in everything else.

so ggg said one thing and after started doing opposite and still being justifiably battered by audience they attracted on their own...

and yet when they try to cater to traders they also somehow make decisions that pissoff both sides and benefit anyone.



i forgot to mention in first point about "do what you want" is like a thing that you feel and see fitting in a game but you cant do it because of things that feel forced and feel really really off like ggg hates all of its player base and intentionally makes those dreams of possibilities futile just to shoehorn their dreams and desires playing game with certain approved build and slavetrading to the end, playing by the "VISION™ ,anything else is heresy and

MUST BE EXILED

there for people that have a dream have no place in poe 2 unless they dont want to interact with the game and just trade good gear and 500 div weapon to clear screen with one click to the state of catatony or when stockholm syndrom will kick in (you can see a lot of examples of second outcome here, hopless helpless souls)

this need to stop because at this rate launch of poe 2 will be disaster because those who wanted to play it already played it and got burned, and situation BARELLY changed (skill buff was good tho), most annoying thing that ggg can change and make better game , its ea after all , throw stuff at the wall , see what sticks and remove that didnt stick (like vision™) that both trade and non trade sides hate and disparity in drops between trade and grind, instead of sitting silently and policing forums while doing something that nobody asked for.

Imgur works if you open the image in a new tab copy that url instead not sure why.

Is anyone else ready for people spoiled by this league to absolutely shit all over the next league mechanic because it won't immediately be as juicy as their 75hrs-to-build borderline-exploit temple lol?

It will almost literally be like taking away an addict's fix and substituting it with a lower grade substance.

It's going to be nasty around here.

I love how some people are still acting as if the 'snake' temple strat is something they would've naturally discovered.

No.

None of you would've figured it out w/o following a step by step guide on how to do it.

The fact that it is still possible is the problem and the old GGG would've nuked it out of the orbit as soon as it popped up and then released a statement with an apology and reflection on how and/or why it happened.

I've had high expectations for poe2 to say the least, but watching its development over the past year+, it is beyond clear to me that this company is not the same anymore and is instead doing what every other AAA developer in this industry is doing nowadays - chasing profit margins and trying to not upset the players at all costs.

That is how shit games are developed, period.
This game is going to repeat all the same mistakes that've plagued poe1 over the past few years, because the developers are catering to what players want, instead of having an actual vision and following through on it.