Revert slam Nerf or explain

Dear GGG
Please explain why you nerfed Slams? Is it breaking uber endgame? (answer: no)

It is good for starter builds, so why not just nerf the early levels?

You have to understand that bows and ranged + ES is such ahead of Slams.


I dont understand. Revert this change please, there is no reason for killing slams build like that.
I am so mad

Slams were ahead quite a bit and are possibly still the best choice for the first two days.

It's pretty standard to nerf a skill that is so op as Earthshatter. Onl thing that is not fair is that TS dodged the nerf for several league while Earthshatter had significantly less elagues now to shine.

Earthshatter was so op, it was in it's own universe, so the nerf is more than fair and i wouldn't count on them to revert it, sadge.

I dont think ES was OP at all
It was good for mapping, but for bossing ubers it was another story...

It's all about league starters. Of course you can invest a mirror or a couple in some build like molten strike of the zenith and say: "ok hey, but this is better than Earthshatter."

With Earthshatter you were able to enter t17s with like 50 chaos investment and you had a fair chance to finish the map if you did not roll gamebreaking mods, no other build was pretty much able to do that.

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

It's all about league starters. Of course you can invest a mirror or a couple in some build like molten strike of the zenith and say: "ok hey, but this is better than Earthshatter."

With Earthshatter you were able to enter t17s with like 50 chaos investment and you had a fair chance to finish the map if you did not roll gamebreaking mods, no other build was pretty much able to do that.

I mean, yeah, so now you cant do it anymore, and you cant scale the damage either.
Carn proved that now overexert+autoexert is the same damage output than a simple Brutality support in replacement

How is that a valid nerf? it makes this mechanic totaly useless

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pickila#7108 wrote:

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

It's all about league starters. Of course you can invest a mirror or a couple in some build like molten strike of the zenith and say: "ok hey, but this is better than Earthshatter."

With Earthshatter you were able to enter t17s with like 50 chaos investment and you had a fair chance to finish the map if you did not roll gamebreaking mods, no other build was pretty much able to do that.

I mean, yeah, so now you cant do it anymore, and you cant scale the damage either.
Carn proved that now overexert+autoexert is the same damage output than a simple Brutality support in replacement

How is that a valid nerf? it makes this mechanic totaly useless

I don't get it. Carn is probably right of course but why waste more time why shoehorn yourself into one melee skill?

It's GGG gutted myskill -> move on to the next skill(after some complaining ok, i get it)

Carn of course plays hcssf and cannot just switch to any joke build like sc palyers can do. But if you don't play hc, you can just try out some crit build with power charges and use the new Hammer skill and have fun and don't look so much at numbers.(well, maybe the new skills can't be league started because they come later...so gotta play sth else first, dunno)

Boneshatter of complex trauma looked pretty good when i last saw it in the gauntlet btw but i haven't played it myself. Should be untouched though the skill. So maybe it's melee bleed time?

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

I don't get it. Carn is probably right of course but why waste more time why shoehorn yourself into one melee skill?

It's GGG gutted myskill -> move on to the next skill(after some complaining ok, i get it)

Carn of course plays hcssf and cannot just switch to any joke build like sc palyers can do. But if you don't play hc, you can just try out some crit build with power charges and use the new Hammer skill and have fun and don't look so much at numbers.(well, maybe the new skills can't be league started because they come later...so gotta play sth else first, dunno)

Boneshatter of complex trauma looked pretty good when i last saw it in the gauntlet btw but i haven't played it myself. Should be untouched though the skill. So maybe it's melee bleed time?

they gutted the entire slams skills, even pressuring mana even more.
I used to play it on HC or in HCSSF during gauntlet and it was not that easy... except for the few best players, untill you transition to something stronger.


I will probably try up the new slam skill yes, and if its not good I will quit the league.

There is no other option. I am not gonna play something that is the same but way worst than before. there is no reason to use overexert anymore.

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

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pickila#7108 wrote:

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Strickl3r#3809 wrote:

It's all about league starters. Of course you can invest a mirror or a couple in some build like molten strike of the zenith and say: "ok hey, but this is better than Earthshatter."

With Earthshatter you were able to enter t17s with like 50 chaos investment and you had a fair chance to finish the map if you did not roll gamebreaking mods, no other build was pretty much able to do that.

I mean, yeah, so now you cant do it anymore, and you cant scale the damage either.
Carn proved that now overexert+autoexert is the same damage output than a simple Brutality support in replacement

How is that a valid nerf? it makes this mechanic totaly useless

I don't get it. Carn is probably right of course but why waste more time why shoehorn yourself into one melee skill?

It's GGG gutted myskill -> move on to the next skill(after some complaining ok, i get it)

Carn of course plays hcssf and cannot just switch to any joke build like sc palyers can do. But if you don't play hc, you can just try out some crit build with power charges and use the new Hammer skill and have fun and don't look so much at numbers.(well, maybe the new skills can't be league started because they come later...so gotta play sth else first, dunno)

Boneshatter of complex trauma looked pretty good when i last saw it in the gauntlet btw but i haven't played it myself. Should be untouched though the skill. So maybe it's melee bleed time?

Its not shoehorning yourself into a skill, its looking at all of them and realizing that its a waste of time to run the others compared to that skill.

Earthshatter was far from op. The only thing that made it strong was easy high pdps weapons. go get 4 voidstones with a 400 pdps weapon with a marginally skilled player and it feels completely balanced. Before graveyard leagues phys weapons could be a nightmare to craft unless you got pretty lucky with essences. Then flat phys essence was a tier below flaring so you could never make a top end weapon with essences. Recombs and gambling served well, the people that liked playing with phys weapons and it sort of normalized the difference in what felt like bad balance.

The skills may be better balanced when you have 850+ pdps weapons but that is not easily attainable anymore (i assume). The skills will not only feel worse with damage, but mana will be harder and stacking exerts will be worse. On top of that getting a good weapon will not be easy or cheap. Especially if you play ssf.

Whenever a nerf bat comes this hard its usually because it was completely broken like ee trickster. Slams were not that. People claiming their farming t17s with 50c thats not even close to valid if you buy every piece of gear.

I still think earthshatter will be "playable" but it certainly wont be overused by people who dont normally play slams.

Boneshatter bleed was used in gauntlet because it is a restrictive environment on staying alive. Gauntlet is a 10 day league that is hcssf. If you're booting up sctrade on league start you wont have the same results as you would get out of gauntlet. In sctrade you are racing against an economical advantage early so if you play a safe build that will get the job done youre already 3 days behind. The best sctrade builds are powerful and have items that are an incredible power spike and if you get to red maps the first day without sleeping and can muster up 20-30 chaos for that item you will be money ahead because in 2 days it will be 4-5 divines and as time goes by it goes up 1-2 divines a day for said item and it just keeps getting further and further away until the economy stabilizes after about 6-7 days-2 weeks. Anyone that has league started a build that used interrogation or any other unique knows the pain of seeing it be 40c when you have 30c then going to bed and its 2-3d when you wake up then it slowly creeps up to 10d over the next few days.

This problem didnt happen on earthshatter since settlers league because you could recomb and make your own weapon. Earthshatters numbers arent what was broken. It was weapon aquisition. They fixed weapon aquisition (maybe) and nerfed the skill multiple times.

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

Earthshatter was far from op.

You still have gambling and recombs. Not as easy as the tree maybe but still for the voidstones more than enough. Unless you are the unluckiest player ever. And Earthshatter was massively op, in another dimension, two tier above all else. It was also the combination of tankiness and damage not just the damage btw ;)

A lot of builds do a lot of damage but are nowhere near as tanky ;)

Especially when it comes to Slayer leech. I know Berserker is more popular bcause Ben says...but Slayer Earthshatter is basicly unkillable for the most part if you do it right.

gambling was nerfed. Tanky depends on your gear. If you have full suppression gear sure. If you just had armour gear high end bosses still delete you pretty easily compared to an actually tanky build.