System Requirements for PoE is a joke

POINTLESS DISCUSSION.

Everybody with common IT sense knows that a tested system with those minimal specs does not give you any guarantees as there are too many factors to take into account, many of them cannot be predicted in advance (like end user environment etc etc).

And those minimal specs shouldn't guarantee anything because nobody knows what "minimal" exactly means and there is no law for it either.

So minimal only means that it's likely you can start and play the game with a system that meets those specs, assuming that you don't run into technical problems and knowing that the word "play" is undefined.

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To be used efficiently, all computer software needs certain hardware components or other software resources to be present on a computer.[1] These prerequisites are known as (computer) system requirements and are often used as a guideline as opposed to an absolute rule.

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Jiero wrote:

I said minimal requirements is not a matter of simply starting up the game and is a matter of perfomance (fps)* ...

You basically said, this gpu has acceptable performance and thus meets minimal requirements... somehow making me wrong in saying that a card needs to have decent performance to be considered minimal requirements? You do know that is exactly what I said, which is why you used the word playable instead of saying it will simply start the game up.

If a game is playable on a dated midrange APU that is roughly equivalent to the minimum system requirements (and it is), then to say "system requirements for PoE are a joke" is itself a joke.

The minimum system requirements for this game are fine. The optimization of this game for high end rigs is not. Those are two different issues, and yourself and OP/this topic are confusing them.

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tackle70 wrote:

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Jiero wrote:

I said minimal requirements is not a matter of simply starting up the game and is a matter of perfomance (fps)* ...

You basically said, this gpu has acceptable performance and thus meets minimal requirements... somehow making me wrong in saying that a card needs to have decent performance to be considered minimal requirements? You do know that is exactly what I said, which is why you used the word playable instead of saying it will simply start the game up.

If a game is playable on a dated midrange APU that is roughly equivalent to the minimum system requirements (and it is), then to say "system requirements for PoE are a joke" is itself a joke.

The minimum system requirements for this game are fine. The optimization of this game for high end rigs is not. Those are two different issues, and yourself and OP/this topic are confusing them.

That wasn't what I was talking about in that quote. I was stating to those that said minimal requirements being the bare minimal just to just start the game (and had nothing to do with fps) that it wasn't. And that is why I provided an example of this pc running the game at 33fps at times.

http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=1399&game=Path+of+Exile&p_make=Intel&p_deriv=Pentium+4+2.20GHz&gc_make=Nvidia&gc_deriv=GeForce+6200&ram=2&checkSubmit=#systemRequirements


Both cpu and gpu are well below what the minimal specs are, yet the game boots and runs most areas at 20+ fps when solo. As soon at its gets to vaal it drops drop to like 4fps (and with render ahead its still sorta playable). CPU is considered half of what the game needs at posted minimal specs and gpu is a quarter of the minimal requirements.


So yes, minimal specs are not bare minimal as to just start the game... but they are also no longer relevant with everything that has been added to the game since they were posted and they need re-evaluated per the current state of the game.


That pc could run the game in closed beta perfectly fine... now take it into the game as it currently is and it won't be playable anymore. The gardens alone would be hell on it...



edit - in other words minimal requirements are simple issues of numbers, such as the fill rate of your gpu or its memory bandwidth. You monitor the game for its resource usage and then set the minimal requirements to hardware that can meet those numbers and add on a little cushion to maintain fps rates at what is considered standard for gameplay quality.

That's right, they take examples from a predefined system that meets those core specifications.
However a system is a lot more than that, so that doesn't give you any guarantees.

The game is not very optimized though and there are FPS and desync issues with this game, also in me own experience.

I experienced lots of FPS spikes running this game on a dual core E7500 CPU and Ati HD4850 GPU and occasionally desync.

Now on i5, AMD R9 290

I agree with OP on this one. The recommended requirements should be close to the top end specs.

I guess, I shouldn't even bother to try and play PoE on a laptop with i3, 6 gigs of ram and Intel HD 4000 :(

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TankJr wrote:

I guess, I shouldn't even bother to try and play PoE on a laptop with i3, 6 gigs of ram and Intel HD 4000 :(

I have an older desktop that has a intel 4k hd built in (replaced with a newer pcie card but still) and it really runs this game horridly (runs other stuff just fine...). Solo in most areas (IE no rain, elemental ground, corrupted areas or any of the other known trouble areas) I get 30-40 fps but add a team or a few of the known fps killers and it tanks to the single to low double digit fps rates... add both it it tanks below 1 fps at times. And since the mobile intel hd 4k is slightly worse then the desktop one, I'd be wary of even trying it with the new changes to some starter areas bosses that look to be utter framerate killers (and the corrupted areas will kill that card anyway). And chances are you'll either run into frame rate killers often enough or end up using places that have them as your


Cpu wise and ram wise, you'll be perfectly fine but that hard drive read speed and the gpu pretty much will make this unplayable for you.


Sorry but ya, that laptop wouldn't be an enjoyable experience with this game at all. Stuttering low fps rate + desync + one shot kills + disconnects due to low fps rate will make this more painful then fun.

edit : also I would ignore the minimal specs on places on gamedebate as they haven't been accurate since beta... pretty much now the recommended specs there are closer to the new minimal specs and even then just barely anymore and likely even the recommended specs there will be below minimal with the new additions coming out.

even tho i have a amd 6core thats water cooled with 32 gig ddr3 ram windows 10 and 12tb worth of ssd i cant run partys with more than 3 people running discharge builds it littarlly bogs down hardcore i have old gpu by most standards its a msi radeon 4890 but still thats pretty op in comparisson to a majority of the gpus in laptops BTW this game is mot suited for a laptop unless youi have some serious gpu power and a really good processor cooler

I'm using a Q9550 quad core @ 2.83 ghz and a 6790 radeon HD card.

My processor runs fine it won't even get above 60%.

But I have some drops with some effects. I play with shadows off and AA x2 or x4 (not sure, I don't even notice anti aliasing). I play at 1920 * 1080.

I still have frequent drops, especially on some effects. For example if I cast one ice crash I have no drops but if I do them very fast 3 times in a row it causes a frame drop to 45ish from 60 with vsync on (60hz monitor).

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Jiero wrote:

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TankJr wrote:

I guess, I shouldn't even bother to try and play PoE on a laptop with i3, 6 gigs of ram and Intel HD 4000 :(

I have an older desktop that has a intel 4k hd built in (replaced with a newer pcie card but still) and it really runs this game horridly (runs other stuff just fine...). Solo in most areas (IE no rain, elemental ground, corrupted areas or any of the other known trouble areas) I get 30-40 fps but add a team or a few of the known fps killers and it tanks to the single to low double digit fps rates... add both it it tanks below 1 fps at times. And since the mobile intel hd 4k is slightly worse then the desktop one, I'd be wary of even trying it with the new changes to some starter areas bosses that look to be utter framerate killers (and the corrupted areas will kill that card anyway). And chances are you'll either run into frame rate killers often enough or end up using places that have them as your


Cpu wise and ram wise, you'll be perfectly fine but that hard drive read speed and the gpu pretty much will make this unplayable for you.


Sorry but ya, that laptop wouldn't be an enjoyable experience with this game at all. Stuttering low fps rate + desync + one shot kills + disconnects due to low fps rate will make this more painful then fun.

edit : also I would ignore the minimal specs on places on gamedebate as they haven't been accurate since beta... pretty much now the recommended specs there are closer to the new minimal specs and even then just barely anymore and likely even the recommended specs there will be below minimal with the new additions coming out.

an intel HD isn't a real GPU it allows your processor to handle 3D applications better, its more an utility than a real card.

You should get a Nvidea or Radeon card whatever is more price effective for you to buy (discard brand fanboyism).

The Nvidea M970 and M980 chips are excellent for the laptop as GPU they have power equivalent to roughly 70% of the GTX 970 and 980. Though you better live in the USA to buy this at an affordable price. In Europe gaming laptops are through the roof expensive, and you can't really put a 3d card in yourself like with a desktop.