Content Update 2.1.0 Patch Notes

Ok...Can we actually get the values for summon raging spirit? I have no idea if the changes are truly a nerf or not.

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rondanashu wrote:

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Sheriff_K wrote:

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MegaDeth666 wrote:

...stash tabs are not free and and are mandatory for any attempt at end game AND for trading, so this is not even remotely free to play, but rather free to try.

Look up a game called League of Legends for an example of no p2w f2p.

In PoE you can do anything without paying a cent, if you need more room, use another character! You can definitely get by with only 3 tabs, especially in a new League starting out.

Have you tried? I did for a couple of days while making a new account (ironically to not deal with the messy stash tabs). I would say its almost unplayable. This feature is purely p2w, and one of the most powerful p2w element I've encoutered in games I've played. I'm not complaining at all, and I love being able to buy tabs, but it's seriously p2w.

i have 5 tabs. =D

LS needs the same quality-of-life projectile mechanics as the glacial cascade.

Even tho' GC can't be linked with chain, LS will, but any small pebble will stop its projectiles.

Cmon GGG, pls GGG, do eeet!



P.S. WTB server space for a damn sql database to "sort" the stash/mtx inventory. It's a mess... dayum!

2.5 years playing and have 5 stash tabs.
(Like a lot of other people here)
P2W? Please stop fanning the troll flames.

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Cerberus1120 wrote:

So you nerfed Vaal Ground Slam and Chill of corruption. It was already expensive to get that build finished. GGG always destroying what they highlight...

No fun allowed.

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rondanashu wrote:

Have you tried? I did for a couple of days while making a new account (ironically to not deal with the messy stash tabs). I would say its almost unplayable. This feature is purely p2w, and one of the most powerful p2w element I've encoutered in games I've played. I'm not complaining at all, and I love being able to buy tabs, but it's seriously p2w.

Now let's just think about what P2W in the original sense means: People investing real money into the game to get an advantage - usually the more money is invested, the more powerful the player becomes (access to higher tiers of items / more XP / whatever can be considered as gameplay advantage). And from what I've heard, it's not out of the question for some people to invest multiple thousands of dollars into such games just to stay on top.

In PoE, when you invest such large amounts of money into this "most powerful P2W element" - you end up with lots of space in your stash, and equally powerful as you were before.
Sure it let's you do things more easily (as opposed to having multiple accounts and muling items between them) but in the end it's a convenience feature.
Now compare a player with a budget of $60 (equal to a new full-priced game) with a player able to dump $2k on the game - does the latter have any advantage over the other? There is a certain amount of stash tabs one has to have to play comfortably (and this amount is certainly a subjective matter, as some get along with less than 10 or even the basic 4, but others "need" 100 or more), and once you've reached that amount you do not gain any value (let alone "power") by purchasing more.

The thing is: At no point will an additional stash tab have an impact on how much damage you do, what enemies you can take on, or how fast you can clear a map. (All of these could be a part of the definition of "power" - the power you need to "win")

One final matter to consider: If one's personal greatest goal is to collect as many items as possible; even to have more items than anyone else, then go ahead and call stash tabs Pay-to-win for that person. :D

I am REALLY interested to see what the Gore Armour Set, looks like! I'm assuming some sort of Death's Oathian-esk setup!

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Inarion1986 wrote:

The thing is: At no point will an additional stash tab have an impact on how much damage you do, what enemies you can take on, or how fast you can clear a map. (All of these could be a part of the definition of "power" - the power you need to "win")

it has, but in a very indirect way. The more stashtabs you have the better you are able to trade stuff and wait for customers for specific items. the more stash tabs you have, the easier it is to mass craft stuff to get the 1 out of 100+ roll thats actually usefull.
And the more currency you get/have the better items you can buy

for crafting alone you need tons of tabs for just the base items since poe is a game about chances and therefore big numbers. that also and especially applies to craftingsucces.
OFC you can play to endgame with just 4 tabs and juggle around with mules on same and mules on another acccount, its a time and qol factor at the end that favors those who have more tabs.
The time you need for muling of deciding if an item is worth to keep others are already farming xp again. so tabs are definitely an advantage that indirectly helps to advance.

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rondanashu wrote:

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Sheriff_K wrote:

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MegaDeth666 wrote:

...stash tabs are not free and and are mandatory for any attempt at end game AND for trading, so this is not even remotely free to play, but rather free to try.

Look up a game called League of Legends for an example of no p2w f2p.

In PoE you can do anything without paying a cent, if you need more room, use another character! You can definitely get by with only 3 tabs, especially in a new League starting out.

Have you tried? I did for a couple of days while making a new account (ironically to not deal with the messy stash tabs). I would say its almost unplayable. This feature is purely p2w, and one of the most powerful p2w element I've encoutered in games I've played. I'm not complaining at all, and I love being able to buy tabs, but it's seriously p2w.

I played on an alt account for all of torment (this is actually that alt since I wanted my shop to run if I got probation) And I farmed 15 exalt on four tabs. I ran a shop, stored items, I even had a gem page. One page set aside for fucking gems!

It's not called P2W, its called envy.