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This is simply a nerf to mirrored and/or corrupted items with crit multi mod, because the new or existing crit multi mod that is NOT bricked can be re-rolled to ~1.5x max the current value. Period.
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Posted byDark_Chicken#5481on Mar 3, 2016, 1:38:24 AM
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Dark_Chicken wrote:
Snorkle I think you are wrong. The new 'tier 1' say for ammy, is going to be like 38% * 1.5 (or whatever the new value is) when divined, or from a drop. Mirrored/corrupted are bricked, so say a legacy crit multi of 70% stays as it is.
what makes you think the values on rare items are being increased by 50% to make up for the nerf?
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All sources of increased Critical Strike Multiplier have been changed to additional Critical Strike Multiplier. This change brings the functionality in line with how most players think it works.
Because of this, all items, passives and some skills/support gems that used to have increased Critical Strike Multiplier are now 33% less effective on players, despite having the same value. A number of these have been adjusted in value to maintain similar effectiveness.
The following have all been increased by approximately 50% for cases when they are on players, and 30% on monsters. For some cases, manual rounding has occurred: All values on the passive skill tree, Increased Critical Damage Support Gem, the Enfeeble Skill Gem and all uses of Enfeeble from monsters and other sources, all monsters with Powerful Crits, the Deadly map mod and the Corrupted jewel mod.
so they say that ALL multi is getting nerfed. Then they say the following things are increased to make up for it, they list the passive tree values, crit damage support gem, enfeeble, powerful crits, deadly map mod and they corrupted jewel mod. I dont see them saying they are going to change the crit multi roll on rare items to be 50% more effective to make up for the nerf.
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The following were not updated to new values: Maligaro's Virtuosity, all craftable item mods (non-jewel) and master-crafted mods.
this is a bit eyebrow raising as to what exactly it means, but is this essentially listing everything that is not being increased and hence suffers the nerf?
"all (non jewel) craftable item mods" well every mod on a rare is craftable, so does that not mean every rare mod outside of jewels is not being updated to a +50% value, and is hence getting the nerf?
Last edited by Snorkle_uk#0761 on Mar 3, 2016, 1:45:45 AM
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Posted bySnorkle_uk#0761on Mar 3, 2016, 1:44:23 AM
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I can't help but wonder what the crit nerf will mean for leech. 2.0 nerfed leech so hard that for a long time pretty much everyone just used life regen instead. One of the few situations in which life leech remained viable was if you were doing huge amounts of crit damage. If crit is being nerfed now, does that mean that another branch on the leech tree has just died?
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Vessel of Vinktar has been reduced to 20% Life and Mana leech. It no longer grants "Leech applies instantly during Flask effect". It also consumes more charges when used, so you cannot use the flask twice per fill any more.
What were you thinking in the first place?
Creating a pretty much mandatory flask, then not outright nerfing it but waiting until end of the league.. ?!
I collected Agnerod staves which I wanted to trade in for the map in Standard after merge. Guess I can forget that, because the FUCKING FLASK has been utterly nerfhammered so only flippers can afford it now. (Not gonna pay 25ex for one now goddammit)
This legacy flask is mandatory and cannot drop in its form anymore. I see why Standard is not important balance-whise, but this is just sloppy. You should have been able to see, that this one stat is too useful to not have in the first place.
AND NERF IT RIGHT AWAY, in-midst of league, before a lot of people acquire that legacy flask.
This is the first time, I am really annoyed by some item going legacy. Never bothered before, but this is getting stupid..
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Posted byWiraqucha#2235on Mar 3, 2016, 1:44:49 AM
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
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Dark_Chicken wrote:
Snorkle I think you are wrong. The new 'tier 1' say for ammy, is going to be like 38% * 1.5 (or whatever the new value is) when divined, or from a drop. Mirrored/corrupted are bricked, so say a legacy crit multi of 70% stays as it is.
what makes you think the values on rare items are being increased by 50% to make up for the nerf?
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All sources of increased Critical Strike Multiplier have been changed to additional Critical Strike Multiplier. This change brings the functionality in line with how most players think it works.
Because of this, all items, passives and some skills/support gems that used to have increased Critical Strike Multiplier are now 33% less effective on players, despite having the same value. A number of these have been adjusted in value to maintain similar effectiveness.
The following have all been increased by approximately 50% for cases when they are on players, and 30% on monsters. For some cases, manual rounding has occurred: All values on the passive skill tree, Increased Critical Damage Support Gem, the Enfeeble Skill Gem and all uses of Enfeeble from monsters and other sources, all monsters with Powerful Crits, the Deadly map mod and the Corrupted jewel mod.
so they say that ALL multi is getting nerfed. Then they say the following things are increased to make up for it, they list the passive tree values, crit damage support gem, enfeeble, powerful crits, deadly map mod and they corrupted jewel mod. I dont see them saying they are going to change the crit multi roll on rare items to be 50% more effective to make up for the nerf.
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The following were not updated to new values: Maligaro's Virtuosity, all craftable item mods (non-jewel) and master-crafted mods.
this is a bit eyebrow raising as to what exactly it means, but is this essentially listing everything that is not being increased and hence suffers the nerf?
"all non jewel craftable item mods" well every mod on a rare is craftable, so does that not mean every rare mod outside of jewels is not being updated to a +50% value, and is hence getting the nerf?
Basically the new values for other items not specifically named, will be TBA as some put it, but it's a safe guess to assume ~50%.
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Posted byDark_Chicken#5481on Mar 3, 2016, 1:46:00 AM
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Wiraqucha wrote:
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Vessel of Vinktar has been reduced to 20% Life and Mana leech. It no longer grants "Leech applies instantly during Flask effect". It also consumes more charges when used, so you cannot use the flask twice per fill any more.
What were you thinking in the first place?
Creating a pretty much mandatory flask, then not outright nerfing it but waiting until end of the league.. ?!
I collected Agnerod staves which I wanted to trade in for the map in Standard after merge. Guess I can forget that, because the FUCKING FLASK has been utterly nerfhammered so only flippers can afford it now. (Not gonna pay 25ex for one now goddammit)
This legacy flask is mandatory and cannot drop in its form anymore. I see why Standard is not important balance-whise, but this is just sloppy. You should have been able to see, that this one stat is too useful to not have in the first place.
AND NERF IT RIGHT AWAY, in-midst of league, before a lot of people acquire that legacy flask.
This is the first time, I am really annoyed by some item going legacy. Never bothered before, but this is getting stupid..
I have a vinktars, I dont even use it on my crit arc witch, its not mandatory imo.
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Posted bySnorkle_uk#0761on Mar 3, 2016, 1:48:01 AM
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Dark_Chicken wrote:
Basically the new values for other items not specifically named, will be TBA as some put it, but it's a safe guess to assume ~50%.
no they quite specifically stated that
"all items, passives and some skills/support gems that used to have increased Critical Strike Multiplier are now 33% less effective on players, despite having the same value."
which is "everything is nerfed by 33% across the board", then they say some specific things have been increased to escape the nerf and they list them. Its not safe to assume everything not mentioned is getting a 50% buff from what Im reading there. What I see is that its safe to assume everything not specifically mentioned falls into...
" all items, passives and some skills/support gems that used to have increased Critical Strike Multiplier are now 33% less effective on players, despite having the same value."
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Posted bySnorkle_uk#0761on Mar 3, 2016, 1:51:53 AM
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What about Talisman items/mechanics making it into core game? No mention of it in the notes.
Edit: And Divination cards? Any new ones?
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Posted byAnseth#4342on Mar 3, 2016, 1:52:01 AM
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Except overnerfed vaal spark because of these who cry and didn't even try themselves it's fine, good job.
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Posted byNarraX1337#0092on Mar 3, 2016, 1:52:33 AM
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Legacy Vinktar 25ex --> New Vinktar 10c (same as Bor) hard to sell even for 5c
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