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mobutu wrote:

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Axtrixis wrote:

...but i do not understand how it ruins the economy.

what i mean is, say "uber_bow_01" is worth 10x exalted, and i only have 8 exalted orbs.

i go to jsp and spend 1000 fg on 2 exalted, and make trade in game.

I then trade my 10 exalted for the bow, which was the asking/accepted price.

I have no changed the worth of exalted orbs at all, i just saved time in acquiring said orbs.

So you have only 8 exalteds in PoE.

You go to jps site and buy 2 exalteds USING AN OUTSIDE CURRENCY which you have either bought with real usd either cashed in from other games. Currency that DOES NOT HAVE ITS VALUE COVERED IN ORBS in poe.

And with this new "2 exalteds" you come to poe's economy and inflate it.

And you say you cant understand what is wrong?

Those 2 exalteds didnt exist in poe in the first place, you "created" them using outside resources with not a connection whatsoever with poe economy.
Bam inflation.

Other currency is plain just bad.
Its either plain poe economy or real usd or both ... but the middleman its just stupid.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Please stop parroting what other people say and think for yourself. That is not how inflation works and is completely silly to think that somehow d2jsp can create items in a game like Path of Exile. By your logic, if you and I were best friends forever and I gave you an orb, that would cause inflation because you didn't have it before I gave it to you. It would also cause inflation if you went out and killed a monster and an orb dropped.

wow wow and wow

I think you missed the whole point, even though you said part of it. The "x_bow_01" is selling for 10 exalted, he has 8 and traded for 2 more so he can buy the bow at 10 exalted. If he was going to inflate the system, he would have to pay more for the bow.

To make myself (more) clear: the fg that he uses to buy those 2 exalteds does not originate from poe's economy.
He either buy that using real usd, or cashed in from other games.
And he introduce that in poe economy. No base cover at all.

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mobutu wrote:

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Axtrixis wrote:

...but i do not understand how it ruins the economy.

what i mean is, say "uber_bow_01" is worth 10x exalted, and i only have 8 exalted orbs.

i go to jsp and spend 1000 fg on 2 exalted, and make trade in game.

I then trade my 10 exalted for the bow, which was the asking/accepted price.

I have no changed the worth of exalted orbs at all, i just saved time in acquiring said orbs.

So you have only 8 exalteds in PoE.

You go to jps site and buy 2 exalteds USING AN OUTSIDE CURRENCY which you have either bought with real usd either cashed in from other games. Currency that DOES NOT HAVE ITS VALUE COVERED IN ORBS in poe.

And with this new "2 exalteds" you come to poe's economy and inflate it.

And you say you cant understand what is wrong?

Those 2 exalteds didnt exist in poe in the first place, you "created" them using outside resources with not a connection whatsoever with poe economy.
Bam inflation.

Other currency is plain just bad.
Its either plain poe economy or real usd or both ... but the middleman its just stupid.

your logic is getting off course mobutu.

the 2 exalteds he buys did in fact exist, and not only did they exist they had to be found by a jsp user or traded for by a jsp user using orbs at same rates vs exalted as anyone else did for him to even buy from that guy.

you have 2x exalted mobutu

you sell it to jsp user A for 50 chaos

jsp user A sells it to jsp user B for 2k forum gold

you still got paid, jsp A got paid, and now jsp user B has the exalted orbs that was found by you ("legit" player).

he will then trade all 10 for the bow and the 2 original exalteds return to the economy same as they were before.

the difference in it all is jsp user B has to spend less time in game to attain them, thats all i see to debate or frown upon.

jsp is not a warehouse full of infinite duped poe orbs, people gotta stop thinking in d2 terms. thats likely to never happen again.

p.s. you can be argumentative and constructive w/o flaming people ... see above post ^

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dust7 wrote:

I doubt you would find someone giving you $ for your orbs at this point.

i was offered, multiple times, and turned down to better the game i was given the chance to play. people will buy anything, anywhere, any time. high % of people are stupid and do irrational things, whole other market based solely on this matter lol.

and yes, that axe is zomg. items like that are the basis of my "eye opener" comments that are comming soon via d3. its going to be a big ass shock to some when they see what high end people IRL (I.E. doctors , lawyers, business men) will pay for high end items. ive been there and done that 5-6 years ago.

you take a teenager playing a video game with zero responsibilities or a mid 20's player with nothing but time on his hands and put it up vs someone making $100k+ a year IRL and you have massive differences in time vs value.

i dont think anyone, even blizzard knows what to expect. i expect it to dwarf all expectations and be a huge step in gaming history.

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Axtrixis wrote:

I see what you are saying Chop, I guess I've never looked at these games as a 'competition', meaning, I don't care if someone has the most uber gear ever in the history of ever.

If 2 people never play together, their gear, and their path to it, has 0 impact on each other. :)

smartest thing said in this whole topic.

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mobutu wrote:

To make myself (more) clear: the fg that he uses to buy those 2 exalteds does not originate from poe's economy.
He either buy that using real usd, or chshed in from other games.
And he introduce that in poe economy. No base cover at all.

That does not change the economy of PoE at all. If a bunch of people with loads of forum gold come here from d2jsp and want to buy things. Prices in game will remain the same, they will have to spend more of their forum gold to get it since there is a demand. So right now a regal orb goes for 10 forum gold. If a bunch of high rollers came into the game and started competing with each other to get the limited ammount of those available, the price in forum gold would go up. In game it would remain the same.

The only economy effected is d2jsp, the rate for which x orb=x forum gold.

Also, why can't people buy and sell making and spending all their forum gold in this game? Thousands and thousands of people did that with diablo 2, as this game keeps developing and more people play it, there will be many that do the same. So to be clear, if I find items and orbs and sell them for forum gold, then turn around and buy items and orbs that I need with that forum gold. How does that change a thing(by your view point, mine is pretty obvious that nothing will change in game currency)

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Chopatron wrote:

i was offered, multiple times

Interesting! Now, if you would have accepted these offers, would you have ended up with less or more money worth fg (if you bought it from the site) than directly selling it for fg? Because if you would have ended up with less, it would still make sense for people to get fg from an economic point of view, if these people planned on investing it into other PoE/vidya items anyway, taking advantage of the huge userbase (potential trading partners) of the site.

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Chopatron wrote:

i dont think anyone, even blizzard knows what to expect. i expect it to dwarf all expectations and be a huge step in gaming history.

I think you are right.

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eaton/technomix/virtual-madness-pixelated-space-station-sells-300000-hard-cash

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dust7 wrote:

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Chopatron wrote:

i was offered, multiple times

Interesting! Now, if you would have accepted these offers, would you have ended up with less or more money worth fg (if you bought it from the site) than directly selling it for fg? Because if you would have ended up with less, it would still make sense for people to get fg from an economic point of view, if these people planned on investing it into other PoE/vidya items anyway, taking advantage of the huge userbase (potential trading partners) of the site.

is hard to compare w/o doing a good bit more research into it and vs the small number of games i play. i prefer to play as best i can in 1 game over many games.

would depend also on current ratios of said games. the difference in using fg + time trading vs using USD in other games (i.e. wow gold / guids etc).

the fact that its illegal to cash out is the biggest turn off to me. i would value the ease of use in USD over a large % in a ratio of USD:fg from that principle alone.

thats very complicated road to go down, would take lots of research that i dont have the time to do atm, but may venture into after other priorities in life straighten out. i do see possibilities in it.

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dust7 wrote:

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Chopatron wrote:

i dont think anyone, even blizzard knows what to expect. i expect it to dwarf all expectations and be a huge step in gaming history.

I think you are right.


http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eaton/technomix/virtual-madness-pixelated-space-station-sells-300000-hard-cash

yes.

thats 1 big omg awe factor deal that blows peoples mind. is a good example. past that is the thousands and thousands of $10-$50 sales per day that happen unnoticed behind closed doors.

may sound stupid, but i expect it to even draw stock traders. huge amounts of $ to be made.

is going to be big and exciting.

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ViralTonic wrote:

I really do not see why this is such a heated discussion. In the end of the day not enough people will use d2jsp to make any sort of difference on the econemy. Right now in the Path of exile sub forum on d2jsp (There are currently 4 user(s) browsing this forum.).

I doubt there are that much more users browsing the trading forum on this site right now. It all depends on the convenience of GGG's trading system. If fg is still more convenient, trading on jsp will explode once open beta hits. This is the largest ARPG community on the world, they will not overlook PoE.

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viraltonic wrote:

Which means THERE WOULD BE NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE(as i have stated before)

tone like that is what makes it heated. can express opinions in a professional manner with facts and get much better results.