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So what happens to D2JSP when D3 comes out?

Someone can trade for FG, buy items with FG and then list it on D3 RMAH.

What happens to FG then?

I doubt a lot of people will be eager to sell their D3 items for fg when they can make $ instead, without the risk of getting scammed or having to use an external site.

There are trading forums for many other games on the site, but none are as popular as the d2 trading sections.

It is highly possible that it is PoE that will "save" jsp.

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dust7 wrote:

I doubt a lot of people will be eager to sell their D3 items for fg when they can make $ instead, without the risk of getting scammed and not having to use an external site.

There are trading forums for many other games on the site, but none are as popular as the d2 trading sections.

It highly possible that it is PoE that will "save" jsp.

either way it will finally provide an outlet to cash out, which would make the system more fair imo.

i.e.

if you want to get $10 for xx wow gold. you will sell it xx fg that will = xx d3 gold that = $10 which will have a current rate on RMAH.

the problem i foresee is why would you trade gold for fg when you can just as easily sell for $USD. people will overpay for d3 gold/items in fg to provoke trade thus creating another profitable angle lol.

if poe blows up, there will be 3rd party sites 100%. there will more than likely be 3rd party sites anyway reguardless of how big/small it gets. one of the few ways i see that that could effect poe economy is if they also mass buy to stock. which is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Problem with cashing out in D3 is that you have to cash out for each single item, paying a fee each time. If you accumulate money in your battle.net account through trading in the RMAH, you cannot cash that out.

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The catch is that the money cannot be taken out of the system, meaning if you’re a seller in the D3 auction house, you have to cash out after every auction, which by the way has four separate fees. No that wasn’t a typo, it actually has four fees.

http://www.mmocrunch.com/mmorpg-news/battle-net-balance-blizzard-quadruple-dipping-in-d3-auction-house/

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dust7 wrote:

Problem with cashing out in D3 is that you have to cash out for each single item, paying a fee each time. If you accumulate money in your battle.net account through trading in the RMAH, you cannot cash that out.

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The catch is that the money cannot be taken out of the system, meaning if you’re a seller in the D3 auction house, you have to cash out after every auction, which by the way has four separate fees. No that wasn’t a typo, it actually has four fees.

http://www.mmocrunch.com/mmorpg-news/battle-net-balance-blizzard-quadruple-dipping-in-d3-auction-house/

is old news. has since been changed for the much better.

no listing fee's anymore. is 1 flat % transaction fee IF item sells, and you get free auctions per week.

your accumulation statement is semi right. you could hoard $200usd in blizz bucks. then you buy $200 in fast moving d3 currency / craft mats and sell. you will pay transaction fee twice the 2nd way tho, double taxed.

if i play i plan to keep a set amount in blizz account as capital to work from. cash out every successful auction afterwards thats over my set capital amount. then cash out all b4 quit.

Sounds reasonable. Did not know they changed their policy, as I am not very interested in playing D3. ^^

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dust7 wrote:

Sounds reasonable. Did not know they changed their policy, as I am not very interested in playing D3. ^^

its the RMAH system and all its possibilities that interest me, 10x more than the actual game.

as im sure is evident by my posts.

currency and different system of trading and how they interact is very interesting to me. is complicated fun things to delve into.

My guess with the RMAH is that the smart people will trade and sell entirely in gold. Then when they have a large enough chunk of gold to justify the cash out fee they'll sell the gold for $. Sure if you're lucky and find an item that's worth $50+ then you can list that directly on the RMAH for cash but those items are the extremely small exception. The real money is in the thousands of good rares that you'll find but that would only sell for a few dollars. That's not enough money to justify selling them for cash after fees so instead sell them for gold. Once you have 1,000,000 gold or more you sell it in one chunk for like $100. I bet that within a year blizzard will place a limit on the amount of gold that can be sold at once and/or the amount of money that can be spent at once.

To say that PoE would not be affected by third party trading is false.
Third party sites can create higher demand and or flood markets adding higher volatility to PoEs.
Sure normal players could do the same thing and I'm sure some will.
But third party currencies have there own volatility that will effect any other currencies that exchange with them

That being said I personally don't give a rats ass if you want to trade your orbs for forum gold so you can buy Hello Kitty: Island Adventure lollipops even if your parole officer might :P

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tpapp157 wrote:

My guess with the RMAH is that the smart people will trade and sell entirely in gold. Then when they have a large enough chunk of gold to justify the cash out fee they'll sell the gold for $. Sure if you're lucky and find an item that's worth $50+ then you can list that directly on the RMAH for cash but those items are the extremely small exception. The real money is in the thousands of good rares that you'll find but that would only sell for a few dollars. That's not enough money to justify selling them for cash after fees so instead sell them for gold. Once you have 1,000,000 gold or more you sell it in one chunk for like $100. I bet that within a year blizzard will place a limit on the amount of gold that can be sold at once and/or the amount of money that can be spent at once.

im not 100%, but im 95% sure the gold AH has same matching transaction fee to prevent this.

the changes in fee's were directly related to this same concept. with flat non % fee's it makes it impossible to sell $1-3 rare / mats after the fee's. thats why they went to the % of sale fee im pretty sure. was a very good change. they are smart, they want bulk sales and collect all those rakes.

the thousands of good rares will be in the $1-$20 range. the decent 1's will go up to the $40-60's. high end will reach hundreds, and godly rare / windforce type uniques will go into thousands. thats my best guestimate.

i can 100% assure you that you will see godlies in the thousands of $USD, not $50-100. they were thousands 8 years ago and not mainstream. some d2 items even go that high still, and its a fairly run down game now.

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Oxyrtopis wrote:

To say that PoE would not be affected by third party trading is false.
Third party sites can create higher demand and or flood markets adding higher volatility to PoEs.
Sure normal players could do the same thing and I'm sure some will.
But third party currencies have there own volatility that will effect any other currencies that exchange with them

That being said I personally don't give a rats ass if you want to trade your orbs for forum gold so you can buy Hello Kitty: Island Adventure lollipops even if your parole officer might :P

yep, thats the example i gave of how they could effect it. buy buying items to create demand that outweighs the in game value vs other in game items.

they cant however call up "the man" and create 60 mirrors to sell to you @$50 per, unless of course "the man" makes an appearance in poe with his dupeness. then all will rely on ggg's ability to police it =).

they cant sell what they dont have. which means a) bots b) cheap labor farmers c) dupes d) buying