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I've heard of d2jsp, but never used it, but i do not understand how it ruins the economy.
If someone has fg, and buys orbs with it, the price or worth of the orb in game doesn't change. however, depending on supply and demand, the fg price may change, but it still holds it's value in game. until the game is at an age where everyone has 100s of the most expensive currency item, using a forum based currency that has no tangible representation in the game, can't hurt the game. what i mean is, say "uber_bow_01" is worth 10x exalted, and i only have 8 exalted orbs. i go to jsp and spend 1000 fg on 2 exalted, and make trade in game. I then trade my 10 exalted for the bow, which was the asking/accepted price. I have no changed the worth of exalted orbs at all, i just saved time in acquiring said orbs. --note, i have no idea what orbs are worth, i'm not a big trader type person, i prefer to find things on my own. :) |
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" you are 100% dead set on the word fake. it must be an offensive word. i didnt mean it that way really. my apologies. mass publicly accepted currency IRL? im not sure what to call it. virtual currency i guess is best description. my points remain same regardless of usage of that single word. replace it with w/e word makes you happy that better defines it. (im not disagreeing with your definition of currency lol, cause its dead on) maybe this... you buy in with real world currency from real world economies (be in usd or euro or w/e)to a virtual economy with virtual economy currency to buy/sell said currency for items in other virtual economies that has no real way to exit back to real world economies or real world economy currency. so process is broken there, always has been. usd being accepted world wide for 99% of all goods and services online or offline. i understand your debate / rebuttals to the extreme extent they are in. mine was fairly simple comparison with use of a word that was taken offense to. (can you explain to me the reason you cant cash out?, is it legality from gambling / selling virtual goods / etc? or does it control fixed value of fg that he sells so members cant undercut him? im guessing both) we could prolly have some intense debates and would prolly agree on most things given we could agree on simple word usage and meaning lol. atleast is good example of debate w/o flaming each other :p. " that sounds impressive when you compare it @ 260:$10. or atleast semi reasonable. but when you compare it to real time trade values @ 1000:$10-15 is much less so. on top of high risk of ban from said place and losing all progress and having to sell on black market to cheat a site thats already on the black market lolol. if i were interested in that i would have searched for avenues to sell straight to $USD, like any other logical person would do. unless jsp for some reason made sense profit wise, which it doesnt at all. d3 will be an avenue for cash out, and will show the flaws of his set price vs real world value in items / virtual currency. curious to see that unfold. IGN: @Chopatron
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" i see your logic as sound, i see it the same way, but: people dont like short cuts for other players. it takes away from their feeling of accomplishment in game via use of other means outside of game (usd/euro) in real life. they all balance each other. even usd/euro will balance out orbs in poe and gold / craft mats in d3 because they are of a finite number (unlike d2). they will have a time to acquire + rarity + demand which will set a price in gold in game which will have a price set in USD/Euro. what balances it is the people who make money off the differences. i.e. search gold AH for items selling higher on RMAH, or vise verse. if gold is worth $1/100 then chances are a crafting mat on the gold AH worth $1 in RMAH will be selling for 100g on the gold AH. if not they will get bought for resell and balance it. same thing happens IRL with forex traders. best description i can come up with atm. (hate to keep using d3 as examples in poe forum but they are the first to implement i know of and is best example i know to use.) what ruins it is when peoples time is worth less via different standards of living / economy in their real life / gov restrictions etc (china, other similar) and exploits such as bots which cost 0 time in the equation of value. IGN: @Chopatron Last edited by Chopatron#3662 on Mar 1, 2012, 1:09:13 PM
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A better example might be Eve Online's Plex system.
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" " here's my pro edit, haha. i was trying to support his logic via d3 AH's rather than compare the 2 vs each other. edit: ahh, after some quick research i see. plex sells game time for USD/Euro which then trades into in game currency / items. yes, can see how that relates. difference njag is doing it on multiple platforms w/o any involvement in games and extremely low liability or overhead lol. like i said, very smart man. IGN: @Chopatron Last edited by Chopatron#3662 on Mar 1, 2012, 1:20:51 PM
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I see what you are saying Chop, I guess I've never looked at these games as a 'competition', meaning, I don't care if someone has the most uber gear ever in the history of ever.
If 2 people never play together, their gear, and their path to it, has 0 impact on each other. :) |
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" not all do, but that is what drives lots of people to keep playing, and buy fancy houses, and fancy clothes, etc etc. id be willing to bet in fact that its the very reason d2 is still alive and still bringing $20-50+ in high end items 10 years later lol. people play for lots of different reasons, the hook is the bettering of gear / char through hours of farming to impress friends / self.that then stems outside of the virtual game to use real life means to accomplish something they cant in the virtual world. its that important to a lot of people. is good system =) hugenormous money maker. so big in fact blizzard feels the need not to ignore it anymore. i dont think they understood the monster they created 10 years ago, but now ... i know d2 income from 3rd party would dwarf guesses by most (was a big part of that for good while). wouldnt even want to guestimate projected d3 AH income from rakes. IGN: @Chopatron Last edited by Chopatron#3662 on Mar 1, 2012, 2:00:19 PM
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" So you have only 8 exalteds in PoE. You go to jps site and buy 2 exalteds USING AN OUTSIDE CURRENCY which you have either bought with real usd either cashed in from other games. Currency that DOES NOT HAVE ITS VALUE COVERED IN ORBS in poe. And with this new "2 exalteds" you come to poe's economy and inflate it. And you say you cant understand what is wrong? Those 2 exalteds didnt exist in poe in the first place, you "created" them using outside resources with not a connection whatsoever with poe economy. Bam inflation. Other currency is plain just bad. Its either plain poe economy or real usd or both ... but the middleman its just stupid. Last edited by mobutu#5362 on Mar 1, 2012, 2:13:06 PM
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" I was not offended by the word "fake" at all, if by offended you mean that I got angry. I know now what you mean and I enjoy the discussion. :) Regarding the 10k fg: It would make (economic) sense to get them (in this example) if you would want to use that currency to invest into Poe/other games anyway. In addition, a lot of people that trade with fg would never spend a dime on items in video games, like they never spent a dime for their fg (like me, I got it all through trading). These people actually are in the majority and without them the economy would only consist of users willing to spend $ on virtual items which would result in a much smaller base of potential trading partners. If you wanted to get real cash for your orbs, the search for people to actually buy would be quite tedious. Last but not least, right now getting fg for your stuff makes at lot of economical sense because everything will be wiped once open beta hits, but your fg would stay. I doubt you would find someone giving you $ for your orbs at this point. Regarding cashing out: I suppose it is forbidden to cash out because a) njag wants to be the sole provider of fg, which totally makes sense from his point of view and b) the prices would drop. If you try to buy fg from another user (not from the site) your account will be locked. And the admins are really good at catching these traders. And another anecdote:  This was recently sold for 60k fg. It is one of the best axes of the realm, but given the fact that d2 is over ten years old and the hype has vanished a long time ago, we will see godly items for over 2000$ in the D3 RMAH quite frequently, I'd assume. Disregard witches, aquire currency. Last edited by dust7#2748 on Mar 1, 2012, 2:35:29 PM
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"Where the hell did you come up with that? Those 2 Exalteds DO and MUST exist in PoE already for him to purchase them. No one can just create or import currency out of thin air. The 2 Exalteds were already in the game and as he stated their value nor the value of the bow is changed whatsoever. Last edited by FaceLicker#6894 on Mar 1, 2012, 2:26:26 PM
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