3.1 Map sustain is beyond awful.

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Peterlerock wrote:

If this is really a problem (I cannot imagine it, anything below t10 is self-sustaining in my experience)...

I cannot imagine it too you know! I, clearly remember before last patches there wasnt any problem with maps drop at all in low lvls especially. They were raining and different. Now they are droping rare even white ones. Not got into even yellow this league. Tryin to do this naturally. Also drop of currency is not good too, so hesitationg to trade.. Cannot believe this is only bad luck tho.

You guys have been pampered with the atlas abuse and forgot that it IS intended that high tier maps are not supposed to be sustainable.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

You guys have been pampered with the atlas abuse and forgot that it IS intended that high tier maps are not supposed to be sustainable.

By atlas abuse you mean intended mechanic? The very core of atlas was to shape it to your liking and most efficient way to run maps if you wanted to. Restricting access to maps is the most horrible way of fucking up the players in PoE. And there are people like you defending this, unbelievable.

Oh now I`m at the 17 maps done and got into yellows.
Just because joined party of free low map raiders..

It never was map system so screwed like now it is.
Closed game. Enough.

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gathor wrote:

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lagwin1980 wrote:

You guys have been pampered with the atlas abuse and forgot that it IS intended that high tier maps are not supposed to be sustainable.

By atlas abuse you mean intended mechanic? The very core of atlas was to shape it to your liking and most efficient way to run maps if you wanted to. Restricting access to maps is the most horrible way of fucking up the players in PoE. And there are people like you defending this, unbelievable.

Working as intended is not the same as working well (which I would argue it does, but my opinion is irrelevant). So the change would have to happen on a game direction level, and not by buffing map drops.

17 maps? unbelievable! 17 maps to be 1/3rd into the end-game? blasphemy!

guys - before you complain, please list your expectations and what you actually do to get there

17 maps.. im speechless

what i expect is: people have really bad builds, 100% leveling glass cannon, somehow zerged trough the kitava around lvl65, have no life, bad resists, some damage and they start doing maps. first map, rolled, murdered by 3 white dropbears, left the map (one already wasted) and then roll them very carefuly to not be dangerous (and ofc skip 'bad layouts' because recently beggars ARE choosers) and get like 5% pack size on a blue map

not a surprise maps not drop

and shaped vault strategy requires HEAVY investment - and most likely GGG did silent steps to remove this gangrenous 'strategy' out of the game. i wonder why should they bother when 3.1 is a clown fiesta of power creep given away for free (+200 flat ele damage jewels.. 9link helmets and that buff to SRS) - so why stop people from what they 'like' (they like because that make them rich - sadly when everyone is rich, noone is)

I made a thread where I didnt have a red tier map drop in 13 maps. It is bad. I agree.

I am currently working on a 100 map tracker. After 50 maps, I have a net return of 22 red maps.

When I am done, I will post. The good news is, I suppose... that the raw currency/currency from vendoring rares (yes I rare check) is providing enough for me to buy maps.

BUT, if all my currency is going to maps, which are super expensive due to the nerfed drop rate, it is pretty hard to actually improve my main character.

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Deliverme wrote:

I made a thread where I didnt have a red tier map drop in 13 maps. It is bad. I agree.

I am currently working on a 100 map tracker. After 50 maps, I have a net return of 22 red maps.

When I am done, I will post. The good news is, I suppose... that the raw currency/currency from vendoring rares (yes I rare check) is providing enough for me to buy maps.

BUT, if all my currency is going to maps, which are super expensive due to the nerfed drop rate, it is pretty hard to actually improve my main character.

I don't think I could consider making your money back so you can buy more maps a successful outcome unless map trading gets overhauled so that it's as convenient as buying from an NPC. I've basically stopped playing this league because trying to fill out the atlas by rerunning low maps forever and buying them is not fun at all.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

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Deliverme wrote:

I made a thread where I didnt have a red tier map drop in 13 maps. It is bad. I agree.

I am currently working on a 100 map tracker. After 50 maps, I have a net return of 22 red maps.

When I am done, I will post. The good news is, I suppose... that the raw currency/currency from vendoring rares (yes I rare check) is providing enough for me to buy maps.

BUT, if all my currency is going to maps, which are super expensive due to the nerfed drop rate, it is pretty hard to actually improve my main character.

I don't think I could consider making your money back so you can buy more maps a successful outcome unless map trading gets overhauled so that it's as convenient as buying from an NPC. I've basically stopped playing this league because trying to fill out the atlas by rerunning low maps forever and buying them is not fun at all.

I dont disagree at all. It is frustrating, and isnt "fun".

Unfortunately the GGG way is to nerf. Period.

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Deliverme wrote:

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

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Deliverme wrote:

I made a thread where I didnt have a red tier map drop in 13 maps. It is bad. I agree.

I am currently working on a 100 map tracker. After 50 maps, I have a net return of 22 red maps.

When I am done, I will post. The good news is, I suppose... that the raw currency/currency from vendoring rares (yes I rare check) is providing enough for me to buy maps.

BUT, if all my currency is going to maps, which are super expensive due to the nerfed drop rate, it is pretty hard to actually improve my main character.

I don't think I could consider making your money back so you can buy more maps a successful outcome unless map trading gets overhauled so that it's as convenient as buying from an NPC. I've basically stopped playing this league because trying to fill out the atlas by rerunning low maps forever and buying them is not fun at all.

I dont disagree at all. It is frustrating, and isnt "fun".

Unfortunately the GGG way is to nerf. Period.

I'm having fun while easy mode sustaining Shaped Vaults. Getting ready to sell off another 100x Shaped Vault at 12c each. All luck right? :D