free unlimited respec on passive skill (or a sandboxed Free Unlimited Respecs League)

You don't know if there won't ever be a full respec. Open beta starts soon and soon we will see how much GGG listens to the community.

Some games I am in favor of free or cheap respecs. This game I am not in favor of it. This type of game does not need free respecs etc. It's ment for you to make new characters and test new things with the chance that it might not work.

Like some mmo's free respecs are fine it allows people to fill other roles for raids, dungeons etc when needed because it can be a pain to find players to fill that void (healer, tank, etc).

This game just does not need that. I makes it a gamble when you have a idea in mind. Which is cool you could come up with some sort of build might suck till you get the right gear end game but bam SURPRISE SURPRISE! super awesome completely different build that is pure ownage.

Anyway final time game does not need this. It's not WOW (no i'm not picking on it calling it easy noob casual) in games like that I can understand respecs because say you start a new guild well it can be hard to fill roles for a raid when you do not have a lot of players yet. So you usually have a few players that might have multiple sets of gear to fill what needs to be filled till your guild picks up enough steam to support all those roles by dedicated players.

IF they do ever decide to put in full respec lol CHARGE PEOPLE FOR IT ;)

:) I understand your opinion and it makes sense. But I would argue that this is the type of game that DOESN'T need to be so punishing when it comes to respecs. Why? Because the skill tree is so big, there are A LOT of options and it isn't trivial to just place dozens of skill points again. And because of the huge number of options, there would still be build variety, since trying to guess the build that other OP player used against us in PvP wouldn't be easy at all.

That said, I still think respecs should have limitations, like for example once a week or costing real money (the most likely to happen).

I would enjoy the game more if I could fully respec, and I would play in a special gimped Full Respec league or whatever it takes, to have the ability to do this.

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It's not WOW (no i'm not picking on it calling it easy noob casual) in games like that I can understand respecs because say you start a new guild well it can be hard to fill roles for a raid when you do not have a lot of players yet. So you usually have a few players that might have multiple sets of gear to fill what needs to be filled till your guild picks up enough steam to support all those roles by dedicated players.

I see no reason why the above could not also apply to PoE PvP guilds.

Private / Special leagues will only offer options that make the game harder, never easier.

Full respecs will also never be made available for money.

Moved to suggestions.

Also, amusing to see I was the first to reply to this way back when, and that was well before I became a moderator.

For what it's worth, as long as we have Orbs of Regret as a currency item, the only full respecs you'll see will be when GGG changes the Skilldrasil significantly enough to warrant one.

I think I can say pretty much everyone here played Diablo 2 and has fond memories of it. I wonder if you ever played the game with the PlugY mod. It enables the game to have full respecs and that just makes the game 10x more fun! I wonder if some people here would be so anti-respec if they had that experience...

@golem09 have the devs clearly stated that respecs won't ever cost real money? Or is that statement just based on the Common Suggestions thread? From what I understand that thread just offers an interpretation of some of the devs' responses and considers things like full respec and xp boosts "pay to win", which is VERY debatable.

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Guild Wars allows free re-specs. Because of this, I've played that game for 8 years.

I don't re-spec to get the best "cookie cutter build du-jour", I re-spec because I love to try new and interesting builds.

I don't care about loot. About being the best. Or the fastest. I don't care about killing that boss hundreds of times to make sure I have the best gear.

All I care about is trying and learning new things :)

My mood changes. Sometimes I feel like this, sometimes I feel like that. I like to try new builds, maybe every 30 minutes, maybe every week, but I know that if Guild Wars didn't allow free re-specs, I wouldn't have played it for 8 years. If I had to start a new character every time I come up with a new interesting build? Wow. I would never get to play the interesting build that I came up with, because I'd be too busy leveling!

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind repeating content, I did it for 8 years and I would do it all over again. But the difference is that I did it because and when I wanted to, not because I had to. In Path of Exile, if I want to try something new, I'm forced to repeat content and waste time leveling, when if I could re-spec, I would repeat content and level a new character when I feel like it.

In Guild was I played a ranger over a warrior because I felt that even though she won't be as strong as a warrior, she can play many more different ways depending on my mood.

If I cared about being "the best", I would have picked the warrior, instead of gimping myself by playing the ranger as a "wannabe" warrior.

I don't re-spec because "oh shit, I need to add cold resistance; I'm a bad player and can't beat this boss otherwise!"
I re-spec because I like to try new things. An idea comes up, and I want to try it. And with Guild Wars, I could! But in Path of Exile? That fun idea will go out the window, because I simply won't have the time to level a character to try it out.

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If Path of Exile had a league where you could re-spec all you want, but as punishment, you'd never get any loot, be able to trade, or use the account-wide stash?
I would love that, I'd do it, it would be AWESOME!
(Off-topic: to make this possible, there could be a NPC in town who gives the player weapons/armor for free based on his level. As for gems, you'd get them from quest rewards as usual, maybe with more gem choice than normal since you can't get them as loot.)

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Because I respec for fun, not for effectiveness, Orbs of Regret are useless to me. They are meant for the player who realizes he made a mistake, and if he got that other node instead, he would be 0.0001% more effective, and OMG!, he won't rest until he can be 0.0001% more effective than he is now! God forbid that other player be more effective! In fact, if there weren't any re-spec points, he might just delete and re-start his character to become 0.0001% more effective!

I'm not that person.

I just don't like to be stuck with one or two builds. I love to try many builds when the mood strikes. Maybe every new quest I do, I got a new idea and want to try something new. Because Path of Exile doesn't allow re-spec for a person like me, it's less likely I will play it for as long as I've played Guild Wars.

I'm a casual player.
I'm a woman (the mighty keeper of the home)
And I'm taking classes to become licensed as a foster parent (and when I have foster children with me, I'll have even less time to play).

As a casual female player in her 30s, I play this game in between "other life things".
Sometimes I log in and sort my inventory or daydream about my gear/gems in the 5 minutes it takes to brew coffee. Then I go back to real life.
Sometimes I'm done with work early or a class was cancelled, and I have time to do a quest before I have to cook dinner.
Sometimes if we get take-out (rarely), I don't have to do any dishes and can use that time to do a quest.
Some days I'm really excited thinking "I can't wait for my day off so I can play my game!", only to find out my sister needs someone to watch her kids because the daycare provider caught the flu.

I don't have time to pore over getting my character just right. Let alone more than one character. I just want to play!

But that doesn't mean I'm careless about how I spec my character. I give it plenty of thought. Yeah, most of the time the "thinking" means I try it out and see what works and what doesn't. Instead of using my free time to plan out what to do, I get to play and do it!
I'm just as excited about getting it right than you do... It's just a different way to go about it, and instead of just one "it", I like many "its".

As a casual player, I don't feel that my choices should be limited to Angry Birds or Barbie Princess (ha!). I love the gameplay Path of Exile has to offer, so I'm giving it a try and so far I'm really enjoying it, but I know that with no re-spec, I'm limited in regards to how much I can get out of this game. I'll probably have to play Guild Wars when I need to get "my fix" of trying new builds.

I've never played any of the Diablo games. I don't have any expectations of what Path of Exile should be, like many here do. I just want a great game to dedicate myself to, just like any of you here on this forum.

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But that doesn't mean I'm careless about how I spec my character. I give it plenty of thought. Yeah, most of the time the "thinking" means I try it out and see what works and what doesn't. Instead of using my free time to plan out what to do, I get to play and do it!

Thats it. That build might look superduper awesome, if you just calculate your way through the skill tree. (Spending hours of planning, before even starting to play the game)
But it might just not be fun. Or not effective as expected, because you forgot something about the game..
From my point of view, the possibility of fully respeccing offers way more long time motivation to play the game. Theres still enough other reasons to keep playing..
But those reasons might not be enough, if parts of the game, stop being a game and start being work. I, for myself, decided to stop playing games, as soon as they become work..