EXP loss on death

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

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DocZero#8715 wrote:

People who think that losing EXP on dying is good (or any tangible loss like items/gold/etc.) - really think about that idea. Like honestly think about it. And consider both sides of the argument.

Why would loss of anything material mean people will get better faster? Serious question: why? I may be able to see this argument if the game just auto-rezsed in place with the boss/mobs at the same health as when you died. But it doesn’t.

Let’s say player A spends 5 minutes trying to kill a boss and dies. Player B spends 5 minutes killing the same boss, dies, but also loses 10% experience. Do you honestly think player B learned more about the fight than player A? Of course they didn’t.

If you’re learning to play guitar, would you become better faster if every time you made a mistake someone cuts the string you use by mistake? No of course not. That’s ridiculous

Avoiding loss of time / effort / enjoyment is plenty enough to incentivize players. Losing EXP (e.g. making people weaker or lose progress) does not teach a lesson better than simply failing. What it does do is add one more thing that sucks about dying and push people that much closer to just giving up.

Further, deaths are caused by far more than lack of skill. My controller battery dies, I can’t see what’s going on because there’s too much on the screen, my power goes out, my internet shits the bed, my cat jumps in my face, the dog is peeing on the floor, I partied with people who suck, etc. etc. none of that is due to skill. It’s all just dumb luck. Throwing on artificial penalties just makes the situation more shitty.

As a purely illustrative example, let’s say we allow “betting.” This is a risk vs. reward decision, not just Russian roulette. Say I put 10% of my experience on the line for the fight. If I win, I get 15%. If I lose, I lose my 10%. THAT is a worthwhile

So I ask perhaps in a different way: how does losing exp on death make the game better? If you can describe how this improves the game, I’m all ears.

If you lose nothing upon death (except maybe the 2 mins it takes you to run back to your spot on the map) then any1 can just corpse rush any content and eventually make it, which discourages good players and prevents new players from having to learn mechanics.

It also discourages the meta where every1 just runs around as glass cannons with 0 defence. Since theres a tangible loss when you die you have to make a choice if you want to go for a little less damage but die less often. If death had no penalty you would just max damage everytime and even if you died 6 times per map it would be faster then if you had invested in life/defenses.

It would be boring gameplay and it would be completely unrewarding for those of us who actually enjoy it being challenging and like the feeling of accompliahment when we progressively get better.

Is it sometimes annoying to get one shot by some invisible death effect and lose 10% exp + your map?

Yes it is. But the solution is to fix the mechanics that arent properly balanced. Not the other way around.

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mrfox123#7595 wrote:

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Pl4t1numX#4325 wrote:

xp loss is good for the game. i played poe1 for years without ever getting a character to lvl 100, my first one was in breach league and some more later on.
and i can tell you something. the game isnt better if youre lvl 100 and it isnt worse if youre not. but its another thing not everybody will achieve with every character in every league. if everybody gets lvl 100 easily, whats the achievement in getting there? if everybody is special, nobody is. if only 20% of players are getting to 100, the other 80% have still a goal to achieve. thats important and its good for the game.

Reaching level 100 already takes a bloody long time by itself.

Most wont hit 100 just for that fact.

And no, the game outside of some end-game bosses isn't as difficult as you makes it out to be. It's just time-consuming to reach the end-game and eventually get your char to lvl 90+.

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beydo#3034 wrote:

From my perspective, casual player who also work, have life and play 1-2h a day I feel that EXP loss is needed. I hate it when I die but still is important part of the game.
In POE 1 I played about 5-6 seasons and only one time reached lvl 100. It was huge achievement for me and I know how hard it is.
So when I see someone on lvl 100 he has my respect for being a good player.

It's not the kind of game when you can just play mindlessly and finish the game and achieve everything. Just need to accept that ;)

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

Some people just want wins handed to them and don't seem to understand the joy of achievement.

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Valsacar#0268 wrote:

Some people just want wins handed to them and don't seem to understand the joy of achievement.