SF (no solo) > SSF

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

All that remains is what to do with drops, to which I suggested to have drops be individual (one player does not see what drops for the other players).

pretty sure people will like to 'share drops/gear' next

A realm where you can play as a party AND share drops/gear? Isn't that what regular realm already is?

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Carinyc#0837 wrote:

By SSF don't you mean making a farm SSF char with an unethical build to feed your other SSF char? SSF is a meme bro.

back before SSF was incorporated to POE, many including myself were against SSF.

simply because it added nothing to the game but just allow players a badge of honour.

many years later despite still seeing it as meaningless i would actually vouch for more options such as no partying or no trading.

more power to the players. it doesnt harm anyone. let people have their badges of honour

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

A realm where you can play as a party AND share drops/gear? Isn't that what regular real already is?

dunno man, back when i played with friend we would give each other gear that the other person can use- it was a big part of group play. back then no one traded with other ppl- that was party play. maybe shits diff now- dunno

The experience you described can still be achieved in normal realm

And btw, even "back when" there were those who would use the possibility of trading things among characters to make money by selling gear, carries, wtv people would pay for... Only difference now is that these guys became much better at it and it became a whole industry, and depending on how endemic it gets, it may break the economy (or even the game) completely.

That's why I rather play in SSF (even it being "solo")

Only thing I'm suggesting is to remove the Solo and keep the Self-Found as is (for it is the only reason why no one sells anything round here)

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exsea#1724 wrote:

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Carinyc#0837 wrote:

By SSF don't you mean making a farm SSF char with an unethical build to feed your other SSF char? SSF is a meme bro.

back before SSF was incorporated to POE, many including myself were against SSF.

simply because it added nothing to the game but just allow players a badge of honour.

many years later despite still seeing it as meaningless i would actually vouch for more options such as no partying or no trading.

more power to the players. it doesnt harm anyone. let people have their badges of honour

I'd be weirded out by anyone who'd tell me they play SSF to "show off their self-found gear as a badge of honour". Never saw anyone like that though (but I do not doubt they exist). Thats probably more the case for Hardcore players (and even more for Hardcore SSF), but regular SSF? It wouldn't make any sense to me.

I, for one, see the SF as an extra hassle that I only tolerate because the alternative is having to get along with botters, traders, trade chat, trade sites, and whatnot. I deeply dislike general trading (and crafting) in games, and i actively avoid it. If trading was fun to me, I'd play the stock market, or open a store... so SF gaming fits me just fine, even if it means I cannot trade with my friends (because even "friend trade only" is already enough for all the botting, and general trading to turn back on again).

And about your point of giving different players freedom to play their own way... I cannot agree more. We have the mouse/wasd movement as proof of it being awesome, no?

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

no to sound like a torll but The experience you described can still be achieved in normal realm. i kinda get it, i tested multiplayer here with a friend and next time I logged in he was clearing whole screens cuz he decided to 'help himself a bit'. but yeh- private leagues?

Heh. That would also be the case in SSF if you go offline and your friend keeps playing. There is no way around THAT xD

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

I'd be weirded out by anyone who'd tell me they play SSF to "show off their self-found gear as a badge of honour". Never saw anyone like that though (but I do not doubt they exist).

I, for one, see the SF as an extra hassle that I only tolerate because the alternative is having to get along with botters, traders, trade chat, trade sites, and whatnot. I deeply dislike general trading (and crafting) in games, and i actively avoid it. If trading was fun to me, I'd play the stock market, or open a store... so SF gaming fits me just fine, even if it means I cannot trade with my friends (because even "friend trade only" is already enough for all the botting, and general trading to turn back on again).

And about your point of giving different players freedom to play their own way... I cannot agree more.

back when it was a hot topic on the forums, the counterarguments of SSF deniers as myself were it adds totally ZERO value to the game because it literally just disables trading. and thats all you get.

in fact all you need to do as a standard/normal league players is NOT TRADE and you've got yourself an SSF playthru. which is why many people saw it as asking for a badge of honour.

also in poe1 many builds were SSF friendly and had less reliance on gear such as spell based skills. making farming easier, so it kinda takes away from any grandeur.



personally after playing poe2, i would prefer if ggg was more generous on the drops so i can play "ssf" in the sense i dont feel like i need to trade for upgrades. super specific items such as megalomaniac which has super high rng should be things players need to trade. but not being able to get upgrades to even "fix" your build is ridiculous.

but yeah, i've also changed. more power to the players! theres no reason to gatekeep unnecessarily

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exsea#1724 wrote:

back when it was a hot topic on the forums, the counterarguments of SSF deniers as myself were it adds totally ZERO value to the game because it literally just disables trading. and thats all you get.
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Hah. Interesting.
I think I'd be weirded out if I saw what you've seen, and I don't know if I'd cut it as people being retarded or not able to express themselves correctly, or put out proper arguments... Maybe this is me trying to rationilize weird people. But hey, as you said... if people want to do it as a badge, go for it, right?

That said, your image feels quite relevant to my point. The guy playing SSF is alone, while the other ones arent. He didn't have to be alone; they could be 2 different set of groups playing as a party, you see?

And about your suggestion for a drop increase for SSF (even if just currency so we can fiddle with equipments a bit more). I'd definetly vote for that. But i'd say this is a discussion in itself. Let me know if/when you create a post for that so i can go there and show my support.

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Balagann#7553 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

back when it was a hot topic on the forums, the counterarguments of SSF deniers as myself were it adds totally ZERO value to the game because it literally just disables trading. and thats all you get.
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Hah. Interesting.
I think I'd be weirded out if I saw what you've seen, and I don't know if I'd cut it as people being retarded or not able to express themselves correctly, or put out proper arguments... Maybe this is me trying to rationilize weird people. But hey, as you said... if people want to do it as a badge, go for it, right?

That said, your image feels quite relevant to my point. The guy playing SSF is alone, while the other ones arent. He didn't have to be alone; they could be 2 different set of groups playing as a party, you see?

And about your suggestion for a drop increase for SSF (even if just currency so we can fiddle with equipments a bit more). I'd definetly vote for that. But i'd say this is a discussion in itself. Let me know if/when you create a post for that so i can go there and show my support.

here you go lol

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3672652

but my post is not asking for SSF to have better droprates.

instead i m asking for the game to be more generous from the get go. if the game was generous with drops i wouldnt feel forced to trade to begin with.

if you like reading about different kinds of SSF implementation, you could look up how Last Epoch solved SSF vs Trade online.

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exsea#1724 wrote:

here you go lol

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3672652

but my post is not asking for SSF to have better droprates.

instead i m asking for the game to be more generous from the get go. if the game was generous with drops i wouldnt feel forced to trade to begin with.

if you like reading about different kinds of SSF implementation, you could look up how Last Epoch solved SSF vs Trade online.

Appreciate the link and the LE's SSF mention

Now, about the game's overall generosity, I think it is worth mention that the only way to neutralize bots/trading is either deactivating trading completely (SF) or making it the sort of "test realm" where you literally have no scarcity (you can get any ammout of any resource whenever you want). Anything in between enables trading (supply and demand. people not-having-and-willing-to-buy and people who-have-and-are-willing-to-sell). This is like a law of phisics; a part of life/existance. I rather play SSF because I already deal with this shit all day, every day, and it is no fun. As I said it, if i was willing to spend time and energy into it, I might aswell do it to make REAL money. So when I play games, I rather not deal with it at all.

But that does not mean I HAVE to play SF ALONE, you see? We can remain "tradeless" but play as a party. This is what I'm asking.

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AintCare#6513 wrote:

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exsea#1724 wrote:

the reality:

broken link bro

(unless that was intentional)