🏚️ 💰 WE NEED AUCTION HOUSE NOT TRADES!!!

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Seyfzone#9724 wrote:

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KilianBremen#3158 wrote:

Read the trade manifesto if you want to know the reasons why GGG wants friction in trading. I like the trading system. It works.

No it does not work. You need to wake up. I don’t need to read manifesto to see what the majority of players want. Tell me something, why it’s hard in 2025 to build an Auction House in game on all platforms.

I put my item in auction house, set the price and any interested buyer from their end press Buy button and set. I don’t need to be whispered in game and then later wait for the buyer to teleport and then send trade invitation etc.

As of now it’s not working. And if you think this whole painful process is working then you have some issues in your head. How on earth is this working according to you?

Diablo 2 had a working action house like decade ago. In 2025 you want to tell me that this garbage trading system is working? Are you joking or what ?

Trading I can do with my friends. I want to sell all my items in my stash as if it was in auction house and 99% of players here would agree with me.

I don’t care about some manifesto. This thread will be active until we get what all players want even if it will take few months or even a year. We need an Auction House here in this game period.

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Tessderosa#0452 wrote:

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VanAsgard#4613 wrote:

I disagree compeltely i think this would ruin the game.


But maybe someone could mention an example for a loot-focused ARPG with a trading-house that actually made the game better?


To me its rather simple - the main drive in this game is gearing up - if i can just do that with 2 clicks and probably never find better items even if i dont buy perfect ones - whats the reason to keep playing?


I also dont get how ppl think manipulating the market now is easy and easier than with an AH. You can manipulate individual people better - yes - but not the complete market since its just too much work when you have to do each trade and i doubt there are many bots advanced enough to even do this in a smooth way.

Also those Bots would probably be easy to spot for GGG.

POE1 originally had an AH when it was released on PS4. It was far simpler to purchase and sell items than it currently is, and market manipulation was extremely difficult due to the way the search results were displayed (in stash tab style pages based on age of posting).


Your argument of "gearing up" is ridiculous quite frankly. You can easily choose NOT to purchase items, there is even a SSF mode to remove the temptation entirely. This is a non-sequitor.

Your other argument of market manipulation is even more ridiculous. You obviously have no idea how much easier it is to write a bot program that crawls a website than it is to write one that works with an embedded trade system like WoW or many other games have. This current system is DESIGNED for botters.


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Sirius_Man#0785 wrote:

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Tessderosa#0452 wrote:

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VanAsgard#4613 wrote:

I disagree compeltely i think this would ruin the game.


But maybe someone could mention an example for a loot-focused ARPG with a trading-house that actually made the game better?


To me its rather simple - the main drive in this game is gearing up - if i can just do that with 2 clicks and probably never find better items even if i dont buy perfect ones - whats the reason to keep playing?


I also dont get how ppl think manipulating the market now is easy and easier than with an AH. You can manipulate individual people better - yes - but not the complete market since its just too much work when you have to do each trade and i doubt there are many bots advanced enough to even do this in a smooth way.

Also those Bots would probably be easy to spot for GGG.

POE1 originally had an AH when it was released on PS4. It was far simpler to purchase and sell items than it currently is, and market manipulation was extremely difficult due to the way the search results were displayed (in stash tab style pages based on age of posting).


Your argument of "gearing up" is ridiculous quite frankly. You can easily choose NOT to purchase items, there is even a SSF mode to remove the temptation entirely. This is a non-sequitor.

Your other argument of market manipulation is even more ridiculous. You obviously have no idea how much easier it is to write a bot program that crawls a website than it is to write one that works with an embedded trade system like WoW or many other games have. This current system is DESIGNED for botters.


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This is one of the most well-thought-out takes I've seen on the AH debate. You brought up a great historical example with the PS4 AH and how its design actually made market manipulation harder.

I also completely agree that the current trade system is way more bot-friendly than a well-implemented AH would be. Your breakdown of why trading should be an option, not a restriction, is spot-on. Well said!

There are also plenty of examples of loot-based games with auction houses or structured trading systems that worked well:

World of Warcraft (WoW) – The auction house has been a core part of WoW’s economy for decades, allowing players to trade efficiently without diminishing the value of grinding for gear, mats, or rare items.

Final Fantasy XI (FFXI) – Has an auction house system that allowed players to buy and sell items effectively, supporting a strong player-driven economy. It didn’t remove the need for farming, just made trading smoother.

Lost Ark – Uses a market board and trade system that lets players buy and sell gear and materials while still maintaining grind-based progression.

Warframe – Has an external auction-like system (Warframe Market) that makes finding items smoother without devaluing grinding.

Final Fantasy XIV – Has a market board that enables trading while keeping gear progression meaningful.

Diablo 2 (unofficial trading sites) – Even though it never had an AH, third-party sites essentially functioned as one, and the game thrived with a player-driven economy.

These games prove that an AH doesn’t have to "ruin" progression—it just makes trading more accessible while keeping the core gameplay intact. The real issue is how an AH is implemented, not whether it exists.

Thanks for bringing such a well-reasoned perspective to the discussion!

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Seyfzone#9724 wrote:

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KilianBremen#3158 wrote:

Read the trade manifesto if you want to know the reasons why GGG wants friction in trading. I like the trading system. It works.

No it does not work. You need to wake up. I don’t need to read manifesto to see what the majority of players want. Tell me something, why it’s hard in 2025 to build an Auction House in game on all platforms.

I put my item in auction house, set the price and any interested buyer from their end press Buy button and set. I don’t need to be whispered in game and then later wait for the buyer to teleport and then send trade invitation etc.

As of now it’s not working. And if you think this whole painful process is working then you have some issues in your head. How on earth is this working according to you?

Diablo 2 had a working action house like decade ago. In 2025 you want to tell me that this garbage trading system is working? Are you joking or what ?

Trading I can do with my friends. I want to sell all my items in my stash as if it was in auction house and 99% of players here would agree with me.

I don’t care about some manifesto. This thread will be active until we get what all players want even if it will take few months or even a year. We need an Auction House here in this game period.