1200 fusings, no 6 link

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Raapys wrote:

Not really, since you'll already have wasted countless exalted worth of currency rolling it in the first place.

That's what the currency is their for. It's meant to roll for and purchase end game equipment. I have a level 78 alt doing level 70+ maps in a 4L chest. You don't need the extra 2 links to complete the game. Hell, you can buy a 5L chest for 1-3 GCP if you needed an extra slot.

What I'm saying is you(or who ever) has no business trying to link a 6L chest unless they know 6Linking the chest will increase it's value to offeset the cost. Because lets face some facts here. Even if you 6Link that chest at 1500 fuse, you can just turn around and sell it for 100%+ your investment.... And if you managed to link it with only 150 fuse which happens all the time? EITHER your profit margin is through the roof or you saved a fortune on your chest.



The game is fine as is. The only time someone should be trying to 6L a chest is if it has 2800 armor, 100+ life, chaos resist and some other resists. Anything short of that, you're just making a bad investment. Because be prepared to spend 2000 fuse if you have to getting it done. Their is absolutely nothing wrong with having expensive and hard to attain items in the game. That's part of the fun, it gives people something to work towards. Be GRATEFUL the game is viable without it.

Eh, my point was more that logic dictates you can't make a profit unless you beat the odds. If 600 fusings is the average for a 6l, then you spending less than that will see a profit while spending more will see a loss.

Granted, it's an imperfect market so there'll be exceptions to the rule, but the point stands.

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narbays wrote:

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Raapys wrote:

Not really, since you'll already have wasted countless exalted worth of currency rolling it in the first place.

That's what the currency is their for. It's meant to roll for and purchase end game equipment. I have a level 78 alt doing level 70+ maps in a 4L chest. You don't need the extra 2 links to complete the game. Hell, you can buy a 5L chest for 1-3 GCP if you needed an extra slot.

What I'm saying is you(or who ever) has no business trying to link a 6L chest unless they know 6Linking the chest will increase it's value to offeset the cost. Because lets face some facts here. Even if you 6Link that chest at 1500 fuse, you can just turn around and sell it for 100%+ your investment.... And if you managed to link it with only 150 fuse which happens all the time? EITHER your profit margin is through the roof or you saved a fortune on your chest.



The game is fine as is. The only time someone should be trying to 6L a chest is if it has 2800 armor, 100+ life, chaos resist and some other resists. Anything short of that, you're just making a bad investment. Because be prepared to spend 2000 fuse if you have to getting it done. Their is absolutely nothing wrong with having expensive and hard to attain items in the game. That's part of the fun, it gives people something to work towards. Be GRATEFUL the game is viable without it.

Peoples major complaints are about the RNG of the system, nothing to do with the difficulty to get 6 links

They want to keep fusings like this to pump life into the economy. Would you rather take the chance wasting 1200 fusings or buy a 6 link on the forum for less? Even if you count 60 fusing per exalt, thats 20 exalts. Pretty sure you could have gotten something decent or a white for less. No not the best 6L but still, they want to keep making you waste your fusing, chrom, chaos, etc trying to link or re-roll items, so that you keep feeding the economy either by trying to sell stuff after you blow all your orbs crafting, or by buying next time instead of using all your orbs trying to fuse for nothing.

Im sure I am thinking of some kind of conspiracy theory or whatever but it doesnt take a genius to see this, the same way it doesnt take a genius who has played this enough times to notice that one day you will get a ton of 3 linked blue green red items for chroms, like 40 in one day. Then you wont get those drops for another few days, in which time you will suddenly start getting a whole bunch of chance orbs, or chaos orbs, or whatever it is. Point is, the system is flawed and needs major work. I know its only beta and act 4 isnt out yet, and Im sure they already have things in the works right now, but as it stands now, its getting old.

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narbays wrote:

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Raapys wrote:

Not really, since you'll already have wasted countless exalted worth of currency rolling it in the first place.

That's what the currency is their for. It's meant to roll for and purchase end game equipment. I have a level 78 alt doing level 70+ maps in a 4L chest. You don't need the extra 2 links to complete the game. Hell, you can buy a 5L chest for 1-3 GCP if you needed an extra slot.

Your level 80 char seems to be dying a lot and losing exp every other day, so I would assume that if you're running 70+ maps in a 4l chest, you aren't doing very well in them.

I'm sure people who want to spend most of their time running for their lives, getting one shot, dying to desync, and losing tons of experience while playing wouldn't mind running maps in 4l gear, but that doesn't make them the majority of players, or even the best or most hardcore of players. Masochism is not synonymous with skillful or hardcore.

I'd say if you want to do higher end maps, having a 5l minimum is absolutely mandatory, and that's just running them in a party. If you want to be able to solo level 70+ maps with random mods and not spend most of your time looking at a resurrect screen, you need to start thinking about getting that 6th link. Very few higher level characters don't have one.

I personally think 5L is fine, and 6L is overkill. If I had a 6L right now, I could change my setup around a little bit and be almost unkillable.

Just out of pure anger and need for some 'aaaaw'

current state of affairs about 1750 fuses

around 300 first 5l
around 700 second
around 900 third
around 1300 forth
1300 to 1500 about 6 5links
1600 next 5link
1750 no 5link
->broke :!

So dont assume oh i got 100 fuses thats a definite 5l ... 2 400 fuse no 5l streaks should teach you that ....

Could puke right into the clueless trollfaces when i see them complaining "awww no 5l after 35 fuses that shits bad ..." and another punch in the face for offering 7exalts on 6ls good bases :!

From previous fuse works op is about right with 100-150 fuses for the average 5l and a 6l should take on average 6-900

no guarantees though ( buddy was our previous leader with 1700+ on his lioneyes and in the end sold it 5led :/)

just pray
you'll get 6 link with 20 fusin

I have spent more or less 1000 fusings right now on my quill rain, starting to be frustrating. But i 6Ld a chest in the past with a reasonable amount of fusings, so i keep it up.

TBH i wonder if i will be still playing after i get the 6L on my bow. So let it go, and please GGG, let me burn 3k fusings before i get it :D

Joking of course, don't do that please :x

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narbays wrote:

What I'm saying is you(or who ever) has no business trying to link a 6L chest unless they know 6Linking the chest will increase it's value to offeset the cost. Because lets face some facts here. Even if you 6Link that chest at 1500 fuse, you can just turn around and sell it for 100%+ your investment.... And if you managed to link it with only 150 fuse which happens all the time? EITHER your profit margin is through the roof or you saved a fortune on your chest.

What? 1500 fusings is like 21 exalteds in default and like 45 in hardcore. I don't know too many armors trading at over twice that value. And I'm guessing those are one in a million rolls that people with aforementioned 20+/40+ exalteds didn't get lucky enough to get.

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narbays wrote:

The game is fine as is. The only time someone should be trying to 6L a chest is if it has 2800 armor, 100+ life, chaos resist and some other resists. Anything short of that, you're just making a bad investment. Because be prepared to spend 2000 fuse if you have to getting it done. Their is absolutely nothing wrong with having expensive and hard to attain items in the game. That's part of the fun, it gives people something to work towards. Be GRATEFUL the game is viable without it.

I've never seen a 2800 armor chest. Please show me which chest you've seen have 2800 armor.

Secondly, I don't think anyone is complaining that 6l'ing gear shouldn't be difficult. The problem is that it's not "difficult" now. It's arbitrary. For everyone who's worked hard to accumulate over a thousand fusings without a 6l, there's some lucky twit that got it within 30. That's not being hard, that's being unfair. Players should be similarly rewarded for a similar level of effort. That kind of reward curve is NOWHERE to be found in POE. It's basically the average player gets no reward while the lucky players go, "shut up noobs, this game is fine" because they got extremely lucky.