RF needs buffed if they fix "snapshot"

I have been doing the redbeak trick wrong the whole time and was wondering why I am level 77 with belly of the beast sometimes dying on 71-72 maps.

Once I figured it out I did it pretty well (tried it on one map) and now I realize why people say it needs removed, but if they remove this trick then they definitely need to rework RF and buff it's core.

Without kaom's and the dual redbeak trick it is very underwhelming.

I disagree but well, yes, please buff it :)

i disagree.

you need burning, fire, elemental damage, and DoT nodes.

taking away snapshotting makes it a more reasonable skill, and requires you to build around it, just like it should be.

dual redbeaks makes it strong _without_ building around it.

BTW, that spell damage bonus you get ? it's quite strong too, and a very good reason to use RF regardless of the damage it does itself.

i've been playing dual redbeak because, contrary to popular opinion, facerolling content IS fun.

i've taken on Dom without snapshotting. Is it more work ? Yes, but an RF build is still a great build.

I built my RF before RF was cool and I really like playing it.

edit: and don't forget ES based RF builds. A very easy way to get a 7/8k damage base. They have definitely biased the skill towards ES, not only can you get more ES than life (more easily), but the burn rate is only 70% for ES and 90% for life.

now I disagree. If you build around it AND snapshot is gone, you cannot really use another skill to take benefit of the spell damage. Yes you can use another skill, but the spell damage bonus will hardly compensate what you lose by building around RF.

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plasticeyes wrote:

edit: and don't forget ES based RF builds. A very easy way to get a 7/8k damage base. They have definitely biased the skill towards ES, not only can you get more ES than life (more easily), but the burn rate is only 70% for ES and 90% for life.

easy way to get 7/8k damage base ? LOL...

Maybe you missed the fact that you burn ennemies based on 50 % of your ES / Life..

I am not sure what you guys mean...

I use Oro's RF build. With this build (based almost entirely on max life, max fire resist, and a few burning) at level 77, 71-72 maps are super slow.

I finally used the snapshot and it felt like I was doing what I should be, owning level 71 maps at level 77 with Belly of the best 5L.

It will be funny to see righteous fire builds being unable to clear the healing phase of atziri, like i mentioned a few times already.

Peace,

-Boem-

Exactly without snapshot RF is underpowered...

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Exactly without snapshot RF is underpowered...

No it is not, it is an active buff designed to enforce spell casters for a short duration.

It was never designed to be a primary damage source.

People have a deluded concept of RF simply because of what the snap-shot allowed them to do.

Don't mistake what the community does with a skill with intentional design.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

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Exactly without snapshot RF is underpowered...

No it is not, it is an active buff designed to enforce spell casters for a short duration.

It was never designed to be a primary damage source.

People have a deluded concept of RF simply because of what the snap-shot allowed them to do.

Don't mistake what the community does with a skill with intentional design.

Peace,

-Boem-

Just because you believe the design is unintentional does not make it true. Nowhere has GGG posted that RF is intended to NOT be used as a main source of damage. In fact, it is INTUITIVE ACTIONS like this that make Path of Exile such a unique game, where skills can, and are encouraged, to be warped beyond Design's original thought and used for other uses. RF has been used as a damage source for a -very- long time. It has only had this surge in popularity because the high fire resistance and tankiness (huge armor + regen) helps to offset Atziri's two major damage outputs ---> spear + puncture and Flameblast.

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Malone wrote:

now I disagree. If you build around it AND snapshot is gone, you cannot really use another skill to take benefit of the spell damage. Yes you can use another skill, but the spell damage bonus will hardly compensate what you lose by building around RF.

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plasticeyes wrote:

edit: and don't forget ES based RF builds. A very easy way to get a 7/8k damage base. They have definitely biased the skill towards ES, not only can you get more ES than life (more easily), but the burn rate is only 70% for ES and 90% for life.

easy way to get 7/8k damage base ? LOL...

Maybe you missed the fact that you burn ennemies based on 50 % of your ES / Life..

You both missed the fact that an ES build will have to have (minimum) 800 life that they can't base their regeneration off of and need to keep up with. My low-life RF'er is only about 1-2% regen positive(5%ish total), compared to life based that has 8-10% overcapped regen typically. This is offset by the Snapshotting at 20k ES + dual redbeak, as well as the ability to run more auras, and have 97% fire resistance base (enough to stop Atziri's penetration).

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It was never designed to be a primary damage source.

And reave was designed for dualwielding. There is nothing wrong with skills being used outside their initial design.

Don't really care if RF gets a buff or not. People being entitled about RF/summoner snapshotting are definitely in the wrong. Summoners are especially annoying when they pretend snapshotting is the only thing keeping them powerful.