PVP Supporter Pack - Chris responded 7/10 & 7/11 & 7/12

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a_z0_9 wrote:

The idea on paper is 'nice', but do you really want pvp arenas look like this:

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Developing a proper toolset is more serious task than just pulling out some additional default tileset pvp maps.

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Vhlad wrote:

Finally, for any given pvp queue it should tell you how many players are waiting in queue right within the UI (i.e. add an extra column).

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Vhlad wrote:

CTF didn't gain steam because the matchmaking was (and still is) horrible. Sometimes it won't start a match even if you have 6 people in the same instance in queue. It's tolerable when you set up an organized group but for widespread appeal the queue/matching system needs to work better.

With unorganized groups (i.e. a bunch of solo players queuing on the fly), even if they initially log in on the same server there are matching problems if they're in a different server instance when they queue (which easily happens, especially if you frequently trade or coop: your hideout or sarn instance could be EU, AUS, NA, and many players are oblivious to this and wonder why they can't get a CTF match).

The other issue is you can't do anything while you're in pvp queue. Players shouldn't be expected to sit around and do nothing while waiting for a pvp queue. Yes you can pvp in sarn while in queue but the queue box takes up too much of your screen and impedes gameplay, making pvp in sarn annoying while in pvp queue. We should be able to minimize/move the box or it should be way smaller and out of the way.

Players should be able to change zones while in a PVP queue so PVE, trade, and regular gameplay is viable while waiting. And there needs to be an accept/decline box when there's a match (with audio alert), with a timer that autodeclines after X seconds so AFKs don't get thrown in.

Finally, for any given pvp queue it should tell you how many players are waiting in queue right within the UI (i.e. add an extra column). If a player (or a group) sees 3-4 in queue they're much more likely to queue themselves. Another possible QoL feature would be to add one more column that shows the average wait time for a match (or how many minutes/hours ago was the last match).

It's really the UI/matching problems that kill group pvp in this game, but to me the UI/matching stuff seems easily fixable. It's tragic to see it neglected because the group pvp is super fun. I would fix ALL of these things myself if the game had a moddable client that let players pick servers (like CS servers) (and I'd have servers with really crazy rules/rotating buffs/debuffs/objectives for sarn arena).

Anyway, if GGG turns around and tries to polish low level group pvp they won't see any results. The focus needs to be endgame. And all the balance in the world won't improve group pvp participation because GGG needs to fix the queue UI/matching first. I remember sitting in queue for 6+ hours straight on multiple days when 3v3 and 6v6 first came out. Only crazy people (or people with multiple monitors and other games to play while waiting) will blindly queue for an unknown amount of time, with an unknown number of other people in queue, with a giant box obfuscating their view and targeting, and unable to change zones.