Path of Exile 2.4.0: Atlas of Worlds Patch Notes

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TwiceBorned wrote:

Does someone know what "frame" mean there? So if I have bad FPS(like 1 or 2) I couldn't proc anything more than 1-2 times per second? Or it's some other "frame"?

it refers to the same action on the server, makes no difference how low your fps in the client is

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Aynix wrote:

@Kastmar
Ofc they can. There is something called "dodging". Instead of standing in one place face tanking boss and wishing that RNGesus will save us, use ur own skills. As long as you are not one shoted, its totally possible to clear Core. Even when you are one shoted, you can "dance" and dodge everything. The problem starts with twinned core, because there is no space to dodge both bosses at the same time (for glass cannons).

I bet there is player who cleared (or is able to clear) core w/o death using something like Elemental Hit. The fact that you can't do something, isn't enought to say that it's impossible.

I bet you don't have any idea whatsoever what you're talking about. xD
Do you even know how hard is the Core map? Lul. People use very tanky builds or very high dps builds with instant leech so they can survive that fight. And that is with HIGH END gear. People don't gimp themselves using an underpowered skill to clear the hardest map just because they can. They use something that's.. meta.

Or bladefall mines. Though not anymore. They got nerfed.

WI isn't a top tier build, it's cheap enough unless you want the perfect version. It clears core.
ED/Cont isn't a top tier build. Its dps is laughably low compared to the top contenders, and it's not ultra tanky either. It clears core.
SRS... Well, SRS is a top tier build, so not the best comparison.
Lacerate gladiator with WoE / BoR. Dirt cheap. Clears core.

You don't need ultra high tankiness for core. You need mobility and a dash.
As for ultra high dps, may I remind you that there has been a recorded uber atziri kill with a fucking CRUDE BOW?
The power creep is such that most builds, once you hit a 6L, have sufficient dps to kill Core Malachai.

Only "real" hard challenge would be Twinned Core. Was, as Core is getting nerfed next patch anyway.

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Aynix wrote:

@Kastmar
Ofc they can. There is something called "dodging". Instead of standing in one place face tanking boss and wishing that RNGesus will save us, use ur own skills. As long as you are not one shoted, its totally possible to clear Core. Even when you are one shoted, you can "dance" and dodge everything. The problem starts with twinned core, because there is no space to dodge both bosses at the same time (for glass cannons).

I bet there is player who cleared (or is able to clear) core w/o death using something like Elemental Hit. The fact that you can't do something, isn't enought to say that it's impossible.

Ok for 99% percent impossible. Even for those who can do it is only question of time when they get killed. I could stand up boss without to fear of be killed. No needed to pray to RNG jezus. Build was so strong that it could handle hits from T15 core boss. Maybe not double boss. But one quite easily.

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Kastmar wrote:

I could stand up boss without to fear of be killed. No needed to pray to RNG jezus. Build was so strong that it could handle hits from T15 core boss. Maybe not double boss. But one quite easily.

And thats why this build was nerfed. The most difficult thing in the game (not anymore) can't be just facetanked. If there is build that can do it - it need to be nerfed.

With all those Masters available in our hide outs could you please open up the blocked off areas as it is soo cluttered even un-decorated its tight for the map device I even set mine on the waypoint

Well.. Fulltank chars(those with 100% passives and 95% item invested in tankiness and well built) SHOULD be able to facetank everything - or else what's the point? Clear speed/DPS is another question througgh and shouldn't be high(low end of medium mabe be for solo clear - but not high)

(also with my FPS I can only hold right click and pray.. didn't try core boss but t14 vaal smash could be safely facetanked. And any "you MUST dodge" content will be instantly impossible. My problem, yeah. But there isn't any option of graphic setting for bad PC - I'll be happy even with d2 - or d1 even - lvl of graphic for PoE - never cared about it anyway at all)

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Aynix wrote:

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Kastmar wrote:

I could stand up boss without to fear of be killed. No needed to pray to RNG jezus. Build was so strong that it could handle hits from T15 core boss. Maybe not double boss. But one quite easily.

And thats why this build was nerfed. The most difficult thing in the game (not anymore) can't be just facetanked. If there is build that can do it - it need to be nerfed.

I don't get your logic. WHY cannot be facetanked? Because you wish so? Because you have no build to able to do it? Because you are so poor you cannot afford it end game gear? That why you think end game boss cannot be facetanked? You know what melee characters in games doing? I don't think so. You know why they are called melee? Because they combat in close range and FACETANK!!! They are not designed to dancing around and pray not to be hit.

Very Very good.
Thanks GGG.
Cya CoC builds.

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Kastmar wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

And thats why this build was nerfed. The most difficult thing in the game (not anymore) can't be just facetanked. If there is build that can do it - it need to be nerfed.

I don't get your logic. WHY cannot be facetanked? Because you wish so? Because you have no build to able to do it? Because you are so poor you cannot afford it end game gear? That why you thing end game boss cannot be facetanked? You know what melee characters in games doing? I don't think so. You know why they are called melee? Because they combat in close range and FACETANK!!! They are not designed to dancing around and pray not to be hit.

I have to agree with Kastmar on this one. There should always be well built characters that can reliably clear most difficult content as long as you avoid stuff that needs and can be avoided. However highest difficulty content should not be trivialized. And that's something both sides tend to forget.

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Kastmar wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

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Kastmar wrote:

I could stand up boss without to fear of be killed. No needed to pray to RNG jezus. Build was so strong that it could handle hits from T15 core boss. Maybe not double boss. But one quite easily.

And thats why this build was nerfed. The most difficult thing in the game (not anymore) can't be just facetanked. If there is build that can do it - it need to be nerfed.

I don't get your logic. WHY cannot be facetanked? Because you wish so? Because you have no build to able to do it? Because you are so poor you cannot afford it end game gear? That why you think end game boss cannot be facetanked? You know what melee characters in games doing? I don't think so. You know why they are called melee? Because they combat in close range and FACETANK!!! They are not designed to dancing around and pray not to be hit.

Yeah - and this. If some content could not be tanked at all then any ranged build will be 100 times better for it. And ranged build already have better clearspeed and are more fluid. Ranged - evade and move. Melee - stand and fight. And sometimes drink flask againt burst(or activate IC or whatever safecooldown they have). Cause melee loose more DPS when moving than ranged - and ranged ALREADY have more. So if top content play to the strenght of ranged builds - and they are already better at everything - then it's not game balance at all.