Solo Self-Found Support in 2.6.0

I play SSF so I was interested in this announcement, but so far what has been described doesnt support already existing SSF characters. I think it would be great if you could do that, like create a SSF standard. I understand many play challenge leagues and I think it is cool to have SSF challenge leagues for those players. That said, I play on standard and I'd like a perma SSF status for my existing characters. I don't care about ladders or bragging rights - I just want to be able to share gear between my current characters, which are all SSF, and any new SSF characters I create. Please allow players like myself to migrate from standard to SSF standard, so to speak, or however it could be made to work. I'd pay 100 points per character, if need be. Please don't make it more expensive, but it would mean enough to me that I would pay something. Thanks.

I like the idea of stats on bragging rights !!! LOL, seen too many people buy everything on poe trade and never know anything about the game itself , just to get to the high-end items of upper level maps......HI5 and KUDOS to the TEAM !!!

edit: (legit play or trade your way to the top)

I downloaded and installed this game all by myself!!!

I really hope they make it so that a selffound Character can buy all skill gems regardless of class, I really don't want to level a char to 30 something just for a gem.

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Khemystri wrote:

I play SSF so I was interested in this announcement, but so far what has been described doesnt support already existing SSF characters. I think it would be great if you could do that, like create a SSF standard. I understand many play challenge leagues and I think it is cool to have SSF challenge leagues for those players. That said, I play on standard and I'd like a perma SSF status for my existing characters. I don't care about ladders or bragging rights - I just want to be able to share gear between my current characters, which are all SSF, and any new SSF characters I create. Please allow players like myself to migrate from standard to SSF standard, so to speak, or however it could be made to work. I'd pay 100 points per character, if need be. Please don't make it more expensive, but it would mean enough to me that I would pay something. Thanks.

I sympathize with that point of view, because I probably would migrate to SSF standard if I could. But having traded in the past it wouldn't necessarily be "right" -- I'm not purely SSF right now and I doubt most standard players are (there may be a few that qualify). As such people that play SSF in standard are the ones that have been given the metaphorical shaft here. Giving them migration to the SSF league would probably more likely than not give people credit for being SSF when they were in fact not. That's probably why they won't do it. But playing as a long term SSF player means that playing in SSF standard is kind of meaningless, since all of your loot is already in standard. For the league players this is great, for standard players it is not.

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kor_ wrote:

Great addition to the game. Have you considered also adding "self-found guilds" to the game? As one user already wrote, he almost always plays with his brother and never trades. That is the case with me also. We would like to continue playing as a team, but stay strictly self-found.
I think this could be easily implemented, as a guild could simply choose is it a self-found guild or not. Then the characters would be bound to that guild and could trade items only using the Guild Stash.

Wouldn't SSF guild characters being able trade with each other defeat the purpose of SSF? GGG's post seems to emphasize that SSF is supposed to be harder than playing with others and/or trading. No one would trade if it doesn't benefit themselves, and any benefit makes the game easier. I think the point of SSF is for characters to mostly depend on the game's drop rate and what is available in the NPC shops.

Very cool. Very well thought through. Thumbs up!

Instead of requiring a mule, I suggest a tab transfer option, in which you right click a tab and select an option to send that tab as a remove-only tab to the corresponding non-SSF league.
Basically, you (GGG) would do the same tab migration you currently do when leagues end (temporary to permanent leagues) in which you move tabs to the corresponding leagues, but instead of removing the original tab (the SSF league stash tab in this case), you'd still have it existing in its league (the SSF league), just empty.

Or, as an alternative, you could have the tab co-exist in both the SSF league and the non-SSF league, but in non-SSF league it would be listed as remove-only.

Perhaps "Self-found restricted" would be more appropriate? like a 5 lv allowable gap for parties and all must be SFR to party together? Trading would still be out.

I can't be the only person who finds playing with others breaks up the monotony of grinding etc.
you could even still restrict boss kills to solo-killed or w/e

Its about time in terms of the effort but falls short when you're doing it just for bragging rights. The core RNG on self found is brutal and that's the real problem. We gave up on the ladder a long ass time ago and it really does nothing to help our situations. I've NEVER chanced a unique. I've only ever rolled a single 6L (granted I'll use the table from now on but that's still a brutal cost for self found and one 6L since beta by dumping every fusing I owned into it tells you exactly how brutal the odds can be for self found). And to add insult to injury, that 6L has never rolled anything even close to comparable to the semi-trash 5L I made years ago for the only build I can use it on. And I've been trying to roll something for so long its not even high item level anymore like it used to be.

My roster is full of characters who have stagnated somewhere in maps because they lack the gear to progress and it just does. not. drop. or. roll. Period. And I've been playing since beta. I've learned to live with it but jesus christ does it suck. Time after time you see person after person linking best in slot items and massive stacks of currency and how they bought it and/or traded for it. It absolutely sucks to know that your choice to play the game normally and grind it out is going to get you nowhere while anyone who doesn't want to play can simply buy their gear, slingshot to the end of the game then complain how "easy" it is. And then you see development decisions that further stagnate progression for self found in order to govern the shortcuts everyone is taking through trading and it makes you want to strangle someone. Other problems with trading are the rmt spammers it creates and the trade spam that ruined the public grouping board from the start.

Masters, essences, the lab.. there have been noticeable efforts to provide more rng CHANCES for our experience but the core rng still screws us and is made worse by decisions to nerf IIR, IIQ and hide build-gating uniques behind restricted loot tables. I don't know how many times I have rolled a chest with perfect stat composition but horrible stats and known I'll never have enough divines to reroll the number of times it would take to get something decent before I simply gave up on even trying to craft beyond chaos orbs. Crafting is completely screwed by the need to use those components as currency to support the trade system.

I love PoE and have played self found the entire time I've played with almost no exceptions. The only time I've ever traded I think was to offload a ton of alts I had way way back in the day when the game had a lot less content and four difficulties. And the entire time I've felt like a second class citizen due to the above. I've only learned to live with it due to the added options for rng chances I mentioned above. But they still don't change the fact that the core rng just does not reward self found players enough to support a single character, or even a roster full of them.