Game of thrones thread go! [ S8 ]

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鬼殺し wrote:

...It might have been how he planned it before it actually happened and people kicked up a shitstorm about it. Martin will almost certainly not write the ending he originally planned now that The Internet has probably anticipated it and torn it to shreds. Poor bastard. Rich as fuck. Famous. Historically sealed into place as a monument of this era. And utterly powerless to just write what he wants, because chances are it'll never be good enough to satisfy a significant portion of the fanbase.

Or does anyone here actually believe he is having trouble writing his own, only big series?

As for D and D, they knew what they were getting into when they chose to adapt a high profile, incomplete fantasy series.

I only pity the viewers at this point. Yall deserved better.

Meh he wont finish the books before he dies imo. The fortune he amassed allowed him to dabble in real estate and other ventures. I honestly dont think he is interested or motivated to finish.

I will defer to you as a fellow writer on how gaps and inspiration fall into creative sessions, but my outsider opinion is that he isnt sure how to get to the end he wants, and do the previous chapters justice.

As far as the viewers go, as I mentioned previously, GoT has grown beyond it's own control. No one was going to be happy how the plot lines finished and character arcs concluded without 3 more seasons. It was, and is, an unrealistic expectation.

It just wasn't going to happen. No one wanted to be doing this for 15+ years to "do it right"

I'm still being entertained regardless, and I just accept it for what it is. A conclusion to a tremendous series. I was glad to have experienced it from the start.

And for those that wanted the sugar and rainbows endings, sorry you just dont know Martin's writing, his life experience, and all the previous clues he left us.

At least the memes are pretty dank

Seems pretty accurate.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

[...] nearly all if not all the blame lies with GRRM. Without source material, it was difficult for D&D ti maintain the development that the earlier seasons provided.

- D&D bought an unfinished product.
- D&D knew GRRM was famous for being very slow at writing.
- D&D could and should have foreseen this. They could have planned ahead.
- D&D are professionals and have brains and thus should be able to not fuck it up that badly. If you can't do it yourself, consult people who can.
- GRRM can write as fast or as slow as he likes.

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Antigegner wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

[...] nearly all if not all the blame lies with GRRM. Without source material, it was difficult for D&D ti maintain the development that the earlier seasons provided.

- D&D bought an unfinished product.
- D&D knew GRRM was famous for being very slow at writing.
- D&D could and should have foreseen this. They could have planned ahead.
- D&D are professionals and have brains and thus should be able to not fuck it up that badly. If you can't do it yourself, consult people who can.
- GRRM can write as fast or as slow as he likes.

Of course GRRM can write at his own pace. That doesnt absolve him from any blame, or the majority of it. He gave D&D the major plot summaries, and then his story was out of his hands. The blame is easy to see here.

D&D were in an unwinnable situation by season 5. As I've mentioned previously GoT grew beyond control. It was never going to end to everybody's satisfaction.

Also no one wanted to be working on GoT for 15+ years. Actors said it, D&D had other projects on the horizon, the support teams were burned out, ect..if people actually believed this was gonna be another 3 seasons over 5+ more years to "get it right" they are delusional. It was never going to happen.

lol, there is a change.org petition already :D

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Of course GRRM can write at his own pace. That doesnt absolve him from any blame, or the majority of it. He gave D&D the major plot summaries, and then his story was out of his hands. The blame is easy to see here.

why is he to blame? Read my previous points again and then tell me why he is to blame.

D&D were in an unwinnable situation by season 5. As I've mentioned previously GoT grew beyond control. It was never going to end to everybody's satisfaction.

they knew what they had gotten themselves into right from the start of season 1. But you are right by indirectly saying they were retards already there ;-)

Also no one wanted to be working on GoT for 15+ years. Actors said it, D&D had other projects on the horizon, the support teams were burned out, ect..if people actually believed this was gonna be another 3 seasons over 5+ more years to "get it right" they are delusional. It was never going to happen.

who u talking to? nobody in this thread said it should go on for X seasons. Most of us just say that season 8 was written by a brain amputated moron who doesn't even get the basics right.

I find it hard to believe that this ending is going to be the same as the book ending mainly because Cersei is two different people. Can you honestly imagine books Cersei going this far when she was raving mad even before her humiliation? I cant and I cant see any amount of good writing making up for it.

That said I always imagined that Dany goes mad in the end, nothing new here.

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Antigegner wrote:

lol, there is a change.org petition already :D

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Of course GRRM can write at his own pace. That doesnt absolve him from any blame, or the majority of it. He gave D&D the major plot summaries, and then his story was out of his hands. The blame is easy to see here.

why is he to blame? Read my previous points again and then tell me why he is to blame.

D&D were in an unwinnable situation by season 5. As I've mentioned previously GoT grew beyond control. It was never going to end to everybody's satisfaction.

they knew what they had gotten themselves into right from the start of season 1. But you are right by indirectly saying they were retards already there ;-)

Also no one wanted to be working on GoT for 15+ years. Actors said it, D&D had other projects on the horizon, the support teams were burned out, ect..if people actually believed this was gonna be another 3 seasons over 5+ more years to "get it right" they are delusional. It was never going to happen.

who u talking to? nobody in this thread said it should go on for X seasons. Most of us just say that season 8 was written by a brain amputated moron who doesn't even get the basics right.

What a collection of bullshit lol.

No one knew if anyone would even like this show. Let alone a reasonable prediction it would end of being one of, if not, the greatest television series of all time.

Martin didn't finish his books, Martin is drunk on fame and money now, and is too fucking out of shape and lazy to finish anything. Not to mention the pressure that the books would have to be great. Imo he is taking these last to books to his grave.

I dont know how you expect any director or writers for television to finish major plot lines and dozens of colliding character arcs in 14 hours, all while taking into account no fans really agree on what "should happen"

When you are writing a book, there are no actor or HBO contracts, no episodic limits, and no reality constraints to what can actually be put on TV.

Your arguements are childish, and illogical, with no basis in reality of the adult world. "D&D are brain amputated moroms" lel. Good one bro.

I'm sorry it didnt end with sugar and rainbows for you. Actually I'm not sorry at all. I'm glad it didnt end how to would have liked. You and the rest of your high school AV club can go cry in a corner and take turns sucking each others thumbs.

I'm actually glad to see so much backlash on these last two seasons. Hopefully it will get Martin's ass into gear and start doing a little writing and less Convention/TV/Radio/Podcast/Insert every other type of medium here appearances.

Who am I kidding? He's been in this "writing rut" for almost 15 YEARS! Anyone who's expecting things to change are kidding themselves. Even I give in to false hope sometimes, because I used to worship the man before he was a goddamn fame hound. I've boycotted this season and hope the show will die a miserable un-memorable death.

The show is definitely getting more awful at an increasing rate like a hockeystick graph. Thank god it's only got one more episode.

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Here's a good question for y'all: When did it jump the shark? What was "the moment" when the show hit the inflection point?

For a while I thought that the moment Jon was brought back, the show lost its point. Resurrection just screws up way too much of the setting, but that was at the start of E6 and there were certainly signs before then.

"Bad poosey" and the whole Dorne-plot-mangling in S5 was certainly bad, and that was even earlier.

Yara's hilarious "Theon rescue attempt" in S4E6 was surreal at the time. Maybe that was the moment, because I can't think of anything truly inexcusably bad before then. Most of Dany's plotline (starting from S1) was somewhere between bad and "meh", but nothing that completely took me out of immersion and made me think I watched the wrong show like that did.