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Here are the latest versions of the two POB's I am maintaining. If you see any mistakes or have any suggestions let me know. I may soon drop supporting the second one as I think the Asenath version is just better all around.
IncinInquisitorCritAsenath: https://pastebin.com/Srhi18vW
IncinInquisitorCritNoDefianceBanner: https://pastebin.com/7mF5idNH
Here's my latest for the Guardian version.
https://pastebin.com/m8WEESNc
Pretty happy with being able to come up with almost 9mil as a guardian. :-)
edit: closer to 8.4mil with a realist Skin of the Lords. I probably won't be lucky enough to grab one with the right colors and Iron Will. There's also two trees. A level 91 tee and finished level 100.
Last edited by stoudtlr on Jan 29, 2022, 4:47:49 PM
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 29, 2022, 4:37:48 PM
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I made a very minor change to the IncinInquisitorCritAseneth POB and that was to remove the level 78 tree since it no longer made any sense with the new tree needed to support the gloves.
https://pastebin.com/UUjN2pX3
How about this?
https://pastebin.com/guycXaNZ
Different pathing to get the top left fire wheel along with covered in ash from the mastery. Can also get matching strength/intel without any extra on jewels or gear just by divining Circle of Anguish and Asenath's. DPS drops to 9.5mil, but should still be overkill after the buff.
One thing I noticed with yours is that you don't have enough mana regen to sustain incinerate so I found a ring on trade for 40c with a crafted prefix that can be replaced with the -mana for channeling craft.
For gem changes I removed IC, but I'm not sure what to replace it with. Maybe just something simple like faster casting to make flame dash a little quicker? Or maybe enduring cry for a source of endurance charges against bosses when flask might be empty?
damn it. I forgot about the mana when I made the ring change yesterday! Thanks for the catch.
Let me look over your tree.
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 29, 2022, 4:39:06 PM
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I made a very minor change to the IncinInquisitorCritAseneth POB and that was to remove the level 78 tree since it no longer made any sense with the new tree needed to support the gloves.
https://pastebin.com/UUjN2pX3
How about this?
https://pastebin.com/guycXaNZ
Different pathing to get the top left fire wheel along with covered in ash from the mastery. Can also get matching strength/intel without any extra on jewels or gear just by divining Circle of Anguish and Asenath's. DPS drops to 9.5mil, but should still be overkill after the buff.
One thing I noticed with yours is that you don't have enough mana regen to sustain incinerate so I found a ring on trade for 40c with a crafted prefix that can be replaced with the -mana for channeling craft.
For gem changes I removed IC, but I'm not sure what to replace it with. Maybe just something simple like faster casting to make flame dash a little quicker? Or maybe enduring cry for a source of endurance charges against bosses when flask might be empty?
ok I fixed my ring mistake. My chaos res is still a little lower than I like though with the Asenath version but I have plenty of jewel slots to improve that by just giving up some damage I probably don't need. I can play this by ear in end game.
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In terms of IC, I have decided to keep it in the build. This is my reasoning.
1) We only need it against single targets (ash on trash mobs is of little help in the asenath version since it provides its own explosions)
2) Single targets hit us significantly less frequently than mobs. And only 1 in 5 of these infrequent hits will cause the ash to cover
3) I think on the whole, we might have better up time of IC if we cast it manually when needed.
thoughts?
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 29, 2022, 4:53:57 PM
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Here are the latest versions of the two POB's I am maintaining. If you see any mistakes or have any suggestions let me know. I may soon drop supporting the second one as I think the Asenath version is just better all around.
IncinInquisitorCritAsenath: https://pastebin.com/Srhi18vW
IncinInquisitorCritNoDefianceBanner: https://pastebin.com/7mF5idNH
Here's my latest for the Guardian version.
https://pastebin.com/m8WEESNc
Pretty happy with being able to come up with almost 9mil as a guardian. :-)
edit: closer to 8.4mil with a realist Skin of the Lords. I probably won't be lucky enough to grab one with the right colors and Iron Will. There's also two trees. A level 91 tee and finished level 100.
that is beautiful!
Are you going to roll this version in 3.17?
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 29, 2022, 4:58:36 PM
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In terms of IC, I have decided to keep it in the build. This is my reasoning.
1) We only need it against single targets (ash on trash mobs is of little help in the asenath version since it provides its own explosions)
2) Single targets hit us significantly less frequently than mobs. And only 1 in 5 of these infrequent hits will cause the ash to cover
3) I think on the whole, we might have better up time of IC if we cast it manually when needed.
thoughts?
I think you made some good points. And like we previously agreed, there isn't really anything good that we could use by freeing up the IC slot. I'd leave the tree as you have it.
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 29, 2022, 5:00:31 PM
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I think you made some good points. And like we previously agreed, there isn't really anything good that we could use by freeing up the IC slot. I'd leave the tree as you have it.
This reminds me, the Asenath version has one open socket now (I removed HexTouch/Flammability and added only Defiance Banner).
Since there does not seem to be anything obvious to add, I guess Portal can be used there to not have to deal with scrolls any more.
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 29, 2022, 5:07:06 PM
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Here are the latest versions of the two POB's I am maintaining. If you see any mistakes or have any suggestions let me know. I may soon drop supporting the second one as I think the Asenath version is just better all around.
IncinInquisitorCritAsenath: https://pastebin.com/Srhi18vW
IncinInquisitorCritNoDefianceBanner: https://pastebin.com/7mF5idNH
Here's my latest for the Guardian version.
https://pastebin.com/m8WEESNc
Pretty happy with being able to come up with almost 9mil as a guardian. :-)
edit: closer to 8.4mil with a realist Skin of the Lords. I probably won't be lucky enough to grab one with the right colors and Iron Will. There's also two trees. A level 91 tee and finished level 100.
that is beautiful!
Are you going to roll this version in 3.17?
I don't think I'm going to decide until we get the POB update. My only complaint with Guardian is the DPS. For things like Conquerors where you fight two bosses back to back you don't have charges for VRF and vaal haste which brings down the dps a lot. It's tanky enough to just stand there and take whatever they dish out...it just takes a little while to kill them some times.
If this version breaks 12mil after the pob update, which I'm thinking it will, then definitely yes. Otherwise I'm going to consider the Inquisitor version.
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 29, 2022, 5:10:52 PM
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I have to say, this build is not beginner friendly any more :) There so many nuances to pay attention too.
I am afraid to make a prediction on how much chaos I will waste buying something that ends up hurting my build :)
One thing though, I am going to horde every divine I get as I can see myself having to redivine things that were already balanced :)
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Posted byAndyLovesHisBgeon Jan 29, 2022, 5:11:36 PM
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Since there does not seem to be anything obvious to add, I guess Portal can be used there to not have to deal with scrolls any more.
That is the best reason of all to use this version! LOL
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 29, 2022, 5:12:04 PM
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I have to say, this build is not beginner friendly any more :) There so many nuances to pay attention too.
I am afraid to make a prediction on how much chaos I will waste buying something that ends up hurting my build :)
One thing though, I am going to horde every divine I get as I can see myself having to redivine things that were already balanced :)
My thought would be to keep the EO version as well and update the pob for 3.17. First post could have both versions listed. EO as a start/beginner friendly version and the crit variants for the experience players that want to min/max the build.
edit: for the stat balancing...horde your intrinsic catalysts as well. using them on your rings is another way to balance stats. That's what I did for testing Asenath's. I rolled +30 strength on a ring and then got it to 18% quality for the 35 I actually needed.
Last edited by stoudtlr on Jan 29, 2022, 5:19:42 PM
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Posted bystoudtlron Jan 29, 2022, 5:15:48 PM
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