Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting
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the problem is the real lack of how much those perfect crafted items really cost, cause you aren't looking at the value expense going on in TFT.
What I mean is you say you want the thrill of hitting an EX and making a great item or bricking the item. Ok well i dumped 10ex in add/remove fire one night to get the 1 fing fire roll i needed. However that all looked like I traded 10 ex for nothing. What needs to happen is make the crafts work like beast orbs. Then balance their drop rates accordingly. Also just make it so after level add the reforge ones have the lucky mod all the time or trash them. I see those and just go next plant area. So by having them as orbs, we can trade the orbs, you guys can see the real cost of those items. It's not like they are cheap or simple to make if so these "GG" tier items would trade for a few EX not where the base alone for the item is 10ex. Because you still have to dump 5-10 ex into rolling the base items to make the ungodly. It's just that once you hit that base item, via fossil crafting, essense, fracture gambling, etc. Then i can make the huge big item, but even then i am spending 10-30ex for the crafts. It's not that EX orbs have no meaning now, or that essence costs has changed. Everything currency wise in the game is the same as it was without harvest. The only difference is we can make items that are strong yes. I guess the issue is the streamers are mad they aren't the only ones with uber gear? Cause the rest of us can't spend our whole life in game. With it being an orb i can still have that thrill of ok here is the add fire i paid 2ex for, hope it hits, bam, yes yes finally. Or crap.... The problem with POE crafting is that in it's undetermilistic form you have to know a billion nuanced aspects, look at 20 different websites, use 10 different calculators, and then if you know it all can make something half decent, that you can then slam and pray you didn't screw it up. But to have the money to do all of that, you still have to make the money, which means you have to know all the key money making tricks, run trade bots, etc. So harvest is loved cause it leveled the playing field for all. We could see a build that can take maven down in 40 seconds, and the average joe playing 2-3 hours a night could make the money, and put in the work and have that chase item. Before harevest the chase item was well save up your EX to get the item, cause you could end up failing so horribly. It's not worth the risk and you don't have the play time to offset that. But then you lose out, on keeping people engaged for longer. Leagues with Harvest have kept me more engaged longer, as i've been pushing each of my gear pieces to perfection, day by day. I have each slot basically becoming a chase item for my build. Without harvest like it is. I have maybe 1 chase item, and I'll just slow grind it's worth in EX. Call it a day, go wow i bought the OP item i win. yeah... So glad i farmed 40 mind numbing maps to do that. the devs act like every harevest roll is a win, it's not it's still gambling and it's expensive as well. They just need to remove the biggest issue of having it not be tradable. And rebalance of it being in game tradable. but leave it as it is. OR OR OR OR..... Rebalance drops in general, I would love to get a great influenced rolled item, as a map drop that only needed, a few bench crafts, and a possible chaos spam. Instead, we chaos spam a ilvl 86 and it rolls 4hp, and 10 dex. There needs to be bottom tier rolls, then it's not a big deal. If at level 85 a chaos spam wouldn't roll less than t4 stats, then great. Use that method along with item level to make us juice maps, i want to run a map with added item level boosting, zana boosting, delve with the +3 to item boosting, so that the item level 90 drops, only have a t3-t1 roll chance. Then yes we can live with harvest being how it its. Solves the general problem of loot drops as well. I'll be jumping up and down yelling in guild chat, look what just dropped booooyssssss. Or I'll chaos spam it and oooohhh that is a juicy one. Then I'll slam the EX on top and go really? really you stupid RNG why did you give me spell damage on my 2 handed PDS sword... bah, back to map farming for a new base. Right now the base and the rolls you can do with anything are so completely randomly and poor, it's a living nightmare to craft. Essences helped with a bit of direction, and fossils helped with preventing junk from rolling, where it shouldn't be. But really it's the complete 0 to 5 million roll option for everything in the world, that is the problem. if that was narrow so you didn't have to spend 1000c trying to slam just 1 stat you want / need for your build, and then praying to build it the rest of the way up from the ground. Then we wouldn't need harvest how it is. Till then leave it as is but make it tradeable via orbs. Then I don't have to beg and plead and play some facebook style love me game in discord to trade. You as devs can then see what we really are sinking into it. |
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" Agree. Gambling is not crafting. If PoE wants to have crafting, Harvest should stay. Early Path of Exile, pre-Essence, with forsaken masters and the crafting bench only... that was a quirk to just help you get that one mod you were missing, be it life or resist, etc. And that was the most Crafting would or could be. The expectation was low, essentials only. But as more cool mods enter the game, and the mod pool of possibilities gets huge, and the good mods are weighted quite scarce, we kind of NEED a less RNG way to roll endgame gear. I'm talking level 95+, only running T16 maps, using sextants and scarabs and delirium orbs, etc. all the content that keeps the endgame perpetually challenging. Chaos spamming an item just doesn't cut it. |
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This league was so good for the average player. I managed to self craft my own end game items. I do wood working on the side. When I build something for a customer, I generally try to deliver a product THEY like. Not what I like. This seems to be the exact opposite of that. I hope you look to the player base on these changes before ruining the only means us "Average Joe's" had at getting good items. I suggest looking into obvious (in my opinion) things this game needs. Such as a solid trade system. The website stuff sucks guys. Whispering 25 players for items to get AFK responses for just flat out ignored sucks. Missing a sale because I had to step away from my computer for a few moments sucks. Put in an auction house style system that lists your premium tab's contents in game. Make them purchasable in game. A mailbox would even look cool in my hideout. And not to mention, all those infuriating price fixers and trade screen scammers would be 100% out of a job. And I think they should be. Victim blame all you guys want, but if there is a way to completely mitigate the scam rather than maintaining constant vigilance, why not do it?
P.S. Nobody closes their eyes and exalt slams items. The chances of bricking the item vs hitting are astronomical. That stuff is for streamers and their viewer counts. Last edited by box1985#6065 on Mar 10, 2021, 11:50:08 PM
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Not liking these nerfs on harvest
Me and my wife been investing more time on Poe this league than any other. 5-8 hrs everyday since the league start(we usually stop playing after 3 weeks old every league). We love what harvest offers and the dopamine kick whenever we see the harvest symbol in our map, it brought us to play more each day to not miss out opportunity to enhance left over item needed some help. Does this mean we got mirror tier item by now? Sadly no. Still struggling on late game bosses even. It is late league now and we are more bothered to play a new build instead because we have item harvest crafted good for the build, rinse and repeat. Didn’t get to mind maven yet Me and my wife are instead struggling on encountering harvest right now, like once in two days even. Now imagine nerfing it. What a bummer |
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Time to Quit until a reverse then the RNG of the game is very good balanced in 3.13 thanks to how harvest works @Chris !
your reverting back to 110% full rng overdrive dogshit like a couple seasons ago ! below 1% of the top high end playerbase maybe like it to have more rng couse you take more time to complete a gearset/ char etc but 99+ % of the playerbase will not appreciate what your doing there do you rly expect everybody to invest 10+ hours each day every day over weeks just to get a toon to a somewhere decent level ? not everybody is lucky and will get HH in the first week no matter the method and has enough money to buy the luck of other players in my case i have not found a single good item max worth 1 ex from a blank ex drop in 3.13 and i do delirium shit bossing etc. ofc. i work´d my ass up with selling harvest crafts und rolling explo chest mods on cheap bases etc thats where nearly every single bit of money came from that i investet into my gear with that changes you postet and the amount of badluck i had this season i would prb still run around in yellow maps .. no thx Chris with that harvest changes im 100% outa here and NGL the best items i have is from selling harvest crafts and not begging for rng just make the stuff more common so ppl dont pay 6 ex for a simple R/A Speed >_> If it´s more common to get harvests and such crafts they aint worth so much just double? chance of harvest (depends on area if that atlas echo skill trees stay) Reduce chance of reforges crafts by 20 Reduce chance of Randomise crafts by 10 maybe add a few stats to the game ? give attribute stats a seed maybe ? and mana / curse ? and all those block things reduce the amount of exchange currency x for y etc all that dogshit crafts that rarely any1 uses this and the prices on TFT drop so low ppl are not even gonna bother that much anymore >_> i wouldn´t say no to increasing the amount of crafts storable but remove the possibility to do it on other ppl´s gear aka soulbound ? like in WoW that if u use an item it gets bind to you but here if u harvest craft on an item it gets soulbound or something ? |
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As a causal player coming back this league was so fun being able to upgrade my gear as i played lil by lil. I only play an hour a day so this was great. I could feel my progression every day and was happy playing. I was so exicted for next league doing the same thing but now i dont know what to say. i am scared that i might lose interest real quick after i hit a brick with my character and cant do small upgrades to get stronger to progres. Pretty disappointing.
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Nerfing this is one thing (it's only been part of 2 leagues anyways, but still annoying), but it's irritating when stuff like this is patched right away, but major issues like currency shards not stacking and a massively broken trade system get ignored for years with no response or acknowledgement whatsoever.
1% Players getting gg endgame 6 mod items instead of 4-5 mod items and killing bosses in 2 seconds instead of 1 second, problem. All non SSF players dealing with afk trains, spam whispers, user offline and afk-train trading to get items worth 1c, not a problem. If were going to push item crafting more in favor of other currencies (such as essence/fossil spamming, alt/regal exalting), it would be nice to at least make it so trading for these currencies isn't such a painful experience. As it stands, it seems like GGG's ideal endgame experience is spending 20 minutes trading for scarabs/watch stones/etc. to run maps with, run a few maps, spend 20 minutes picking up all the item clutter off the ground, spend 20 minutes selling/converting what you got from the map for what you need to craft with, then YOLO exalt/annul your item and 99% brick it since the mod pools have expanded so much from when exalts were initially implemented into the base game |
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THE ONLY WAY to make casual players enjoy harvest crafting is to make the items soulbound once you used it. Any other way will make the .1% of players enjoy harvest and make the others frustrated.
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Honestly though. Who even cares about selling crafts. No one is forcing players to pay for them. YOU might not want us to have top tier items. but that doesn't mean we as players want to settle for garbage we pick up off the ground.
want us to stop deleting bosses by day 2o r 3? make them more challenging. And I don't just mean "unavoidable Damage" or crappy memory games. that is unbelievably lazy. I don't care if a boss has multiple phases. I dont care if they have super armor that gives them 90% dmg reduction for however long. If im build a boss killer. I WILL DELETE YOUR BOSSES. its that simple Ill build EVEN MORE into dmg on the tree and go in for AW8 sirus at 1900 ehp and ZERO defenses outside of my life pool and res. its inevitable. it was always going to happen. and it will always continue to happen in the future. the biggest point no one seems to be figuring out at GGG is...Just because we as players are actually PLAYING THE GAME and ENJOYING a particular aspect of it more than something else does not mean it needs to be broken just because it happens to be our favorite toy. that's petty and done purely out of spite because you lack the imagination to make the end game more challenging. One shot mechanics are garbage unavoidable dmg mechanics are garbage. mini games inside tiny boss rooms are GARBAGE that's not "hard" you want us to stop using TfT for crafting? make the crafting system more intuitive you want us to stop solely relying on harvest to build our items? MAKE VANILLA CRAFTING WORTH IT. 95% of all the groves that DO spawn are full of useless crafts as it is. want to balance harvest? LOWER the encounter below base for other mechanics. Make it a 2% chance Leave the crafts alone. Make Zana not able to offer harvest missions. remove the atlas passives for it. there are more ways than just ruining a perfectly good crafting alternative to balance it. Look at how you butchered fossil crafting. you know what fossils people use? theres maybe 5 that have any sort of demand and its not for crafting items. TLDR; You lack imagination and are taking it out on players that are new to crafting to make up for it |
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