[3.26] The dirty Scorpion-Tail|Herald of Agony| Chaos-Cyclone-Necro|The Arachnophobia Allstars 270M

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Sataki#7511 wrote:

I feel that someone need to put this warning out there to anyone about to try Herald of Agony with this kind of build.

Dont expect leveling anywhere over 91-94-ish. Mapping is not fun, its nothing like what these guys showclip in videos or write. "Already unkillable, ready for ubers, can facetank anything".

I've played this 3 leagues.
The biggest concerns for smooth mapping without just dropping over dead to some bs is never adressed and I find it so weird.

1. Cyclone is the worst dog shit skill ever constructed. Adding to that a bunch of more skills spawning makes sure you're not ever seeing whats under your character or even what the bosses or monsters do. You'll stand in pools, you'll get hit by slams, projectiles and what not. And you're no where near unkillable, ever. If it hits or spawns under you, and you dont see it cause of cyclone or all the bs, you die. Ask these "pro players" or whatever they want to call themselves, they just say "well dont get hit by that". Bullshit argument when you litterally cant see 40% of the screen.

2. The energy shield pool. They say 3.5k is enough. This is super low.
They write it's easy to get. With this build and spec, it's not. There's so many uniques, it's super hard to even get over 3k. You have no talents to spare for it. This league I've not even transitioned to Skin of the lords. Been using a yellow rare armour 6-link for ages and even with that massive chunk of energy shield I get there I'm just barely over 3k.

3.Sustain. When you read this and watch it. Sure it looks like it'll work. I block and I get a lot of energy shield back ok.
It's not that simple. The energy shield you get back is based of your armour value, to even get 200 energy shield back per blocked hit, you'd need 10k armour. According to pobs and all, you're sitting on 40k armour with determination. You arent. That's with all flasks up. Wich they will not be at all times. Not all blocks give you a lot of es back. And if there's not a lot of enemies? What if there's 1 elite and 2-3 enemies. That's not a lot of blocks going off that regenerates up your tiny 3.5k pool.

You die constantnly while mapping and to map bosses. Any degen, dot (and they have a lot of them, the random map bosses) kills you cause you're not constantnly spamming blocks to heal the degen up. Whenever your grace isnt saving you and you do get hit, your tiny pool isnt keeping you alive.

The one item I havent aquired so far this league is a watcher's eye with ES on hit. Those are minimum 15divs in sc now and a good one would be more. But 20-30 energy shield per hit while I cyclone around, isnt making the difference, I'll never believe that 1 item saves this entire build. And I've been using the Malachai's mark unique gloves at time (20energy shield on hit) but it does not add anything at all.

Just, if you want to follow a guide and map and play this game. These guys aren't telling you the whole truth. You can spin through the maps and the damage is there. But dying to random things all the time is extremly tiering and boring. There's like 4x t14-t16 red map where I cant even kill the last boss currently cause there's some degen I just cannot "hope" to dodge with my grace or sustain from blocking hits that aren't there cause the boss channels a debuff or bleeds me and is not gonna keep hitting me on 20k armour constantnly fast enough to heal me up.

Try this when you are done with a league and just wanna goof around. But dont expect this to be some amazing unkillbable super build. It isn't in reality, only in these guys minds.

Let`s go in-depth into your individual reasons of your squishyness.

1) Why do you use the unfitting gloves? They are nice until t3 maps to add 0.16k health (life+es) /sec recovery, but beyond there are much better gloves.
Not cyclone-attacks proccs the 2k-3k es-recovery /sec on hit of this build, the ball lightnings and tornadoes-spells do.
Cyclone is too slow with instead much lower 0.08k es-recovery /sec. Know the differences between the "attack" and the "spell"-tags of your skillgems.
Check your pob.

So:
Please read the guide.
Please read the spoiler "jewels" -> "watcher`s eye"
Also read the spoiler "checklist stats" -> "recovery"

Cybil`s paw, for 1 chaos, grants 1.5k life/sec recovery also when you stay hybrid until you obtained the watcher`s eye.

And sorry: As far as I can see your gear is thumbed 0,5 to 1,5 divs in value? Did I overlooked something? Then that is even total okay so far for a cheap lvl 93.
Take a look at easy atlas-strategies, you will get fast some currency to switch out your levelling-gear.

2) Why do you use Maata`s teaching?
When you camp at a gearlevel of 2M?
It`s recommended above 90-100M, not at the 2M your char deal.
You have no, zero, crit-multiplier on other gear and skills further beside?
Take HoA-poison with the dark seer sceptre until you geared up. HoA-crits and Maata`s are later used, above gearlevel 100M.

Why do you use ...

3) ... No melding?

4) ... No withers?

5) Why that unoptimal body-armour? Prices are low 10c for much better ones.

6) Why that amulet without benefits? Why no amulet-anoint?

7) Why that helmet without benefits?

8) Why spells lvl 20 when your Herald does the dps? You suicide your mana-management yourself.

9) Why your flasks? They don`t fit.
And why did you enchanted them for mageblood when you do not use a mageblood?

10) Why your jewels? They not fit too.

11) 70% spell suppression more easy as 100%?

12) No recovery of the watcher`s eye? Yes, it's a key-item, especially as CI. Without simply stay easy hybrid life+es like guided to use longer the life-flask until geared up and also cybil`s paw for 1 chaos orb.

Or use bone barrier for 1-1.6k minion-leech with ghost reaver, ethereal feast, or vessel of vinktar, ... and the other 10 guided alternatives in the ranking of recovery in the spoiler "recovery".

13) And yes, that`s correct, your 3.2k es are from t-16 onwards too low as necro like you wrote, especially because you miss further all the stacked additional flat dr of this build. In high poe-content simply stay hybrid like guided until you geared up. With a dark seer and a better helmet you will cheap reach enough es already now in your starter-gear.

14) Why your low poisonchances?

15) Why haste?

16) No runegrafts? No AG?

17) ... 0% stun-immunities? 0% ignite-immunities?

18) ... No 2 k es /sec recovery of vaal discipline?

19) ... No 2-4k es /sec buffer of frostshield?

20) ... No 2-3k es recovery when hit of ghost dance?

.... etc.

21) And now you should ask yourself again, especially with your 3 leagues, what may be the reasons why many others reach easy lvl 100, delve 4000, all Ubers, Simu 15, etc. and you yourself 93?

What did you expected when you miss simply all sources of recovery-mechanics of the build, also like 1c for vaal dicipline and 1 identify scroll for frostshield?
Or better choose HoA-Trickster, when you do not have that much poe-experiences it`s much more easy for you.

I do not want to miss at least:

Congratulations that you reached 75% elemental resistances 😉 , but to be honest, beyond you missed almost all other layers of defences, recovery and keystones 🧐, my dude 🫢.

22) And why others deal 20-200-1000M damage and you yourself your 2M ingame?

Perhaps check again the build and spoilers like "The HoA step by step" and the pob for the answers to your questions.

23) It`s totally okay for you personally when you yourself play your own special build without any recovery, without flat dr, without health-pool and without damage. I love it when somebody builds HoA different.
But it's a pebcak, so please do not compare your own selected gear, unoptimal skill and stuff to the build of the Allstars when you play your almost complete own setup.

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21) And now you should ask again, especially with your 3 leagues, what may be the reasons why many others reach easy lvl 100, delve 4000, all Ubers, Simu 15, etc. and you yourself 93?

I would love to see a video in 4k delve with this build. Even at 400 I would be impressed for this build.
Just for compares and laughs: https://youtu.be/gv2kYv72Q_I

1000M damage? someone has 1000M damage with this build?M stands for millions? 1000m= 1billion btw, is that what you are talking about?

Anyway this build can be advertised as whatever it likes.
1Billions DPS , sure yes no problem.
Super tanky deathless, yes ofcourse, no problem.
But 4k delve? No, dont do that. There are people who farm at 4k any diffculty node. There are also people who might be interested to delve, dont make them believe you can do 4k with agony crawler. It is a lie.

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Spacecom#5362 wrote:

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Hi Spacetroll again, when I remember correct you are the man who tried HoA with 20% poisonchances, resulting into 20 HoA-virulences, and ingame real 400k dps? Without auras, block, suppression, flasks and everything else? Enraging that market in standard is different to the market in leagues?

Lol, we talked a lot, please do not start again.
Read the postings and tipps we answered to you.

Say whatever you want no problem. Just leave delve outside or post a 4k delve video with the build.
https://youtu.be/gv2kYv72Q_I

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Spacecom#5362 wrote:

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It`s only lost game- and lifetime like you trolled before.

For you? Never again!

only four people above 400 depth, the first at 499.
https://poe.ninja/builds/mercenaries?skills=Herald+of+Agony&type=depthsolo
In Settlers top depth with agony was 819.
We are in the realm of just making up numbers and statements, unless when you said 4000 depth you typed one 0 too many.
3k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPlt1O3zkiw

why do you link a youtube from standard? that really doesnt add anything.... besides its laughable on standard

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xatemdale#7874 wrote:

why do you link a youtube from standard? that really doesnt add anything.... besides its laughable on standard

Why do we state that the build has 1Bllion dps and can do 4k delve? I thought we were making jokes, so I contribute to it. Am I wrong? I will say that I am sorry and apologize if I am, no problem.

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Spacecom#5362 wrote:

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xatemdale#7874 wrote:

why do you link a youtube from standard? that really doesnt add anything.... besides its laughable on standard

Why do we state that the build has 1Bllion dps and can do 4k delve? I thought we were making jokes, so I contribute to it. Am I wrong? I will say that I am sorry and apologize if I am, no problem.

[Removed by Support] about how much this build can delve, if you want to Delve make a Steve build and goodluck. 4k delve is actually nothing, especially not in freakin standard with the legacy immortal gear. It's even more a joke if someone is actually linking youtubes of it asif its anything of an accomplishment in standard

I have a steve build and I find trickster better ;)

and I am trying to recombine for a better sword just to sell it since I dont like the build. All the items are for sale, if you find it hard to delve with your current build, you should try steve's. So you could msg me if I still have some items for sale.
Why I like trickster better? It is not just personal opinion. I can get very technical and analytic on why trickster is far more suitable not only for farming depth but also farming any difficulty node in big depths. Would you like that, without any sarcasm? I can give to people my experience on delve. And that is the difference between I and the the guy from the thread. I try to help people understand how something works and why. I dont claim things that are lies by proof.