Haven't PoE 2 devteam learned from d4 devs?

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RandallPOE wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

and who exactly asked for a completely new game that looks and plays nothing like poe 1? yeah, nobody. this is merely the result of ggg's "vision". can't force ruthless in poe 1? just make a new game with endless ruthless, lol gottem

poe 2 was meant to be an improved, better poe 1, fixing most of its prominent issues. now poe 1 will still be poe 1 and we'll always have these issues, while poe 2 will be a cheap mix of diablo 4 and lost ark (sorry, I still can't believe that they're adding dodge rolls, shit gets me cracked up every time I think about it, the biggest L in the history of gaming, even funnier if there will be iframes). such an unfortunate lose-lose situation, it feels like ggg went for the worst direction in this one. I want to be hopeful but almost every single thing they said about poe 2 sounds horrible. that game obviously isn't an improved version of the game I'm currently playing and loving, so I'll remain very skeptical until I see its end game

after all, there's nothing to be excited about poe 2 if you like poe 1 but don't enjoy games like diablo 4, grim dawn and last epoch because they're going to take everything we love about poe 1 away from the game.

Next time you hop into your time machine to play POE2 could you get next weekend's lottery numbers for me on the way back?

ok so I had a perfect response to this but ggg removed the post, I'll just pm it to you

oh they removed yours too, rip

poe2 is not the future.

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Sooner wrote:

poe2 is not the future.

Well technically it is though.

(:

you guys are on your own crazy planet. POE2 needs to be different than poe1 and vastly in order to garner a new audience. One which could be 5 times greater.

POE1's style of gameplay is stagnant and filled with countless flaws. Most gamers don't want their ARPG experience to be some one button zoom zoom garbage which is what poe1 devolves into.

if you love poe1's gameplay... YOU GOT IT. in POE1.

Poe2 needs to be vastly different. POE1 is a stagnant game and will never get a boom of new players because the time has passed. Diablo4 was a relative failure... and POE1 could not capitalize on that because most players don't want what POE1 offers.

POE2 will feature grounded compelling moment to moment gameplay because you can't just zip around like some superhero degenerate. POE1 should have never developed into "Flash: The game" Or "Superman".



They are creating a real ARPG this time around and the footage looked absolutely amazing.

Stop trying to sabotage the game.

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IcyMist27 wrote:

you guys are on your own crazy planet. POE2 needs to be different than poe1 and vastly in order to garner a new audience. One which could be 5 times greater.

Anyone who thinks PoE 2 gonna be "5 times bigger" is on massive copium overdose. PoE 2 seems to be even less casual friendly than PoE is, why the hell would it be more popular?

You guys don't seem to understand how POE1 and it's formula will never be massively successful and why POE2 needs these big changes. POE1 is moderately successful and only thanks to a dedicated hardcore fanbase. The reality is the formula doesn't appeal to the average APRG player and that's why so many people try it and quit... and Never bother coming back.

Diablo4 failed and POE1 could not capitalize. We got a ''decent'' population for TOTA but this is the peak of POE1 unless something crazy happens in the next big update.

The game DOES NOT appeal to a wide audience. And I say this as someone who enjoys POE1 but I abandoned the formula that the average POE1 utilizes and played my own way with my own build and limited trading. What you guys have accustomed to is not actually what the average gamer wants in their ARPGS: The whole Copy a Build GUIDE scenario (why bother experimenting?) and the whole max out your aura efficiency, and focus on 1 primary skill and everything else is a support, and the zoom zoom super sonic screen clearing nonsense.... Most gamers don't want this kind of game. So for you guys to think GGG needs to DOUBLE DOWN.... on a failed formula is kind of crazy.

The reason why POE2 can garner 5x the audience of POE1 is because it's going to be a real ARPG now. Not a 1 skill wonder. It will require utilizing multiple skills and combos to maximize your efficiency. Every Skill is now a 6 link. This means skill variety. And slowing the game down means we got real moment to moment gameplay where you actually have to use your Brain now. The gameplay will be more complex and sophisticated instead of... piano flasking and pressing one key on repeat to clear a map and pretending you're having fun because you're getting new loot. Give me a break. Now you got multiple skills to utilize with real combos and synergies which was not a realistic concept for POE1. There was more depth in POE2's exilecon gameplay presentation than the entirely that i faced in POE1's combat system during all my hours playing.

If you cannot understand why POE2 needs to be this different than you fail to grasp the big picture. You guys are the hardcore poe1 fans.... everyone else has left. GGG can get them all back and add many more new players while simultaneously making everyone happy since POE1 will still continue to get support. it's a win/win for everyone.

GGG: PLEASE continue down this path. Make POE2 it's own thing and make it as distinct from POE1 as possible. Thank you! You are on the verge of creating the best ARPG that ever existed.

POE2 looks amazing and honestly I think some of you guys are trying to sabotage this project... either that or just bitter fanboyism for poe1's formula because it somehow appeals to some people's power gamer min max mentalities.

i was trying to reply to someone who said NO ONE asked for POE2 to be like this. this is my response:


Excuse me? The entire ARPG community WANTS this. Only strict POE1 traditionalists want POE2 to be the same. The rest of us: We all want a great new ARPG experience that is better than D4 and the other games in the genre. You guys are so self centered and single minded on this.

POE2 has received such amazing reception that even people who did not want to give POE1 a shot are actually interested in playing. Don't believe me? go read the comments in the IGN or gamespot youtube videos where they show off POE2 exilecon footage.

People who wanted nothing to do with POE1.... are eager and excited for POE2. This game has the chance to be a smashing success so I ask of you all to look beyond yourselves and consider that your stale tastes relating to how peo1 turned out with it's zoom zoom gameplay are not an indicator of what millions of other people will enjoy. You guys are among only 50k players. GGG can have a quarter million playing each day if POE2 stays true to it's vision and we get an ARPG with actual high quality combat.

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IcyMist27 wrote:

You guys don't seem to understand how POE1 and it's formula will never be massively successful and why POE2 needs these big changes. POE1 is moderately successful and only thanks to a dedicated hardcore fanbase. The reality is the formula doesn't appeal to the average APRG player and that's why so many people try it and quit... and Never bother coming back.

Diablo4 failed and POE1 could not capitalize. We got a ''decent'' population for TOTA but this is the peak of POE1 unless something crazy happens in the next big update.

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And you think making PoE 2 more punishing, where you need to watch your steps, strategize your next move, because monsters are this much harder, is better formula that will bring more casuals? PoE 2 will will flop harder than Diablo 4 did.

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Stormgrave wrote:

List of removed effects (nerfs):

* Crafting bench

* Statincreases from charges and harder to generate
( " If you can get enough attackspeed, trololol huehuehue " )

* Movementspeed

* Flasks, including quicksilver

* HP-regen

* MF
(Will be in the game for currency, aka, nerf)

* Undecided on div-cards, but HH will still be in the game, so I guess it'll be a 1 in 5 million hour drop chance?

* "You won't be able to craft maps, hueheuheueu" , really funny, reflect back

* Portals (TL:DR - devteam think you should git gud and "learn from your mistakes", "improve your gameplay"...)

* Removed lab (Honestly, this is the one change I like, imagine dodge-rolling through lab...)

Welcome to scuffed ruthless!
8 years of devtime for this?

D4 dev-team said in their latest stream that nerfs should come with accompaning buffs and be more clear on their longterm goal of the game. Can someone list a single buff that has been introduced?

MF exists still but only for the reason it was broken in the first place?

Portals are just a fix to the logout macro shenanigans.

where's the expansion that was promised?

also merge dead hardcore trade players into the standard trade league and stop trying to force ruthless down everyone's throats, we don't need more difficulty modes we need you to fix your game and deliver the goods.