Game for trade scammers.

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Angrybagel wrote:

So we are enduring the awful trade system for no reason since people like this control everything anyway. We currently have all the downsides, with none of the benefits.

I mean it's a thing because a lot of people feed into the problem. Trade wouldn't be as bad as it is without tft. Like honesty trading on the official website was way more enjoyable during the leagues before the discord server existed.

But unfortunately tons of people fodder their time and resources into the wrong hands which causes all the issues with trades. People are that stupid to follow ridicules rules (like no beast rotas for example, cause we better keep the market empty lol) set by some weirdo who makes a living out of the game, or they continue to buy copies of rmt crafted mirror tier items just for the sake of their own ego.
If anything most of the community really deserves to deal with the terrible trade experience on the official trade website in this game as they are part of the problem.

It's just pretty unfortunate and sucks for all the normal players who never used or cared at all about this corrupted discord, or any other optional larger trade discords.

They amount of people who are white knighting and dismissive of scammy behaviour that pop up in every one of these types of threads is very telling.

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NightCicer wrote:

They amount of people who are white knighting and dismissive of scammy behaviour that pop up in every one of these types of threads is very telling.

Got to protect the monopoly and gravy train.

Honestly, no form of botting should be allowed. As long as it is, any QoL, even the most obvious QoL that would dramatically improve the game, will always be held hostage because of bots.

The inactivity of GGG in this issue is atrocious.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Honestly, no form of botting should be allowed.

And it is not allowed.

One thing: Bots fixing stuff by buyout in mass dont really make sense

Because that would take massive amounts of currency on the part of bots-ownwers, you cant just temper the market price of stuff by buying yourself and establishing a monopoly because that would effectively mean you... well... had to buy everything, even if you plan to re-sell later, its still a very flimsy plan because other people would just place the thing again and and beat you on your price-war. Even if you get every mirror on the server, you cant prevent other people from placing new ones on sale

To make it work, you would need both currency to buy everything AND monopoly of production, that means it would only be viable to corner market on standard legacy stuff, as those cant be simply replaced if you buy everything

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Pashid wrote:

Just to give you a taste of that, a few leagues ago the upper end of tft ended up monopolized mirrors and some essential beasts for high tier crafting entirely and that without a auction house

Not a legit example: They cornered the market by making it CHEAPER, not more expensive

TFT had unfair methods to control some craft mechanics that regular players didnt had, but market cornering was only possible because they made theyr services cheaper, they took the price down, not up. Because, again, they cant prevent other people from trying to offer mirror services of their own, they cant dictate the floor of prices, only ceilling and drove other people away because their prices coudnt be beat

Bots performing mass buyouts would be the same: they may dictate the ceilling, but that method plain dont make sense when it comes to dictate the floor of market prices(wich actually benefits casual players)

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feike wrote:

Not a legit example: They cornered the market by making it CHEAPER, not more expensive.

Wrong, they didn't made anything cheaper as they simply got their hands on most of the entire market stock. Mirrors got sold for a tons more for their own profit and beasts got locked away in several quad tabs to prevent others to craft similar or better gear to ensure that there's less or no competition at all.
Even beast rotas were banned on tft to lower the amount of new printed beasts on the market. But so much about stuff got "cheaper". But hot take from someone who hasn't really touched any league in a while tbh.

And yes something like that hurts the official trade website for everyone who wants to use some of the beast stuff for their own little crafting projects, or buy a mirror just in order to have it. Cause it's for sure fun for everyone to pay a lot more for something cause it got artificially pushed up in value by a group who had their hands on most of the existing stock, or even entirely out of range cause you can't really get your hands on it in a reasonable and useful amount.
Plus to be be brutally honest, you haven't even played any of the last few leagues

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Pashid wrote:

Wrong, they didn't made anything cheaper as they simply got their hands on most of the entire market stock. Mirrors got sold for a tons more for their own profit and beasts got locked away in several quad tabs to prevent others to craft similar or better gear to ensure that there's less or no competition at all

Played sanctum and had the missfortune of trying kalandra

You seem to be talking about the inflation on sanctum, well, i say blaming it all on TFT is simplistic

Sanctum was a league that had a particulary rewarding mechanic, as it needed to be to balance its risky nature, also, it was a league that pulled people from regular mapping

All in all, a league that enabled a flood of raw currency and less number of stuff like mirrors and memories. It was not just mirrors that were inflated, the WHOLE league suffered inflation of prices for pretty much everything, even elderslayers exalts were inflated. This was very discussed as natural consequence of a mechanic that enabled large amounts of divs/chaos while at the same time, pulling people from regular content with more diverse drops

Yeah, maybe TFT had an easier time cornering a weakened market, but make no mistake, even if TFT hadnt done anything, the inflation would have occured, sounds like you saw some videos of guys hoarding stuff on YT and got impressed...

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feike wrote:

sounds like you saw some videos of guys hoarding stuff on YT and got impressed...

More like first hand experience and I quit most leagues cause I end up getting bored of the terrible tft manipulated market and being unable to finish projects cause of the lacking resources on the market. i do spend a fuck tons of time in each league and I do get a lot of informations from friends who spend their time on third party shit like tft to know what's going on there, something you can really say about yourself giving that you don't have a lot of any basic and unavoidable challenge done in anyy of the past leagues. Like sorry but you try to talk about existing problems you don't have much of any experience with cause you play a lot of standard lol. Or you are right away a supporter for the tft shit that's going on for a couple of leagues by now.

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Nomancs wrote:

And it is not allowed.

Considering how many i deal with, even on standard, you could have me fooled that it was.