All this MF is actually good for the trade economy

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Phrazz wrote:

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hmcg020 wrote:

Why do people hate MF?

It has nothing to do with what other people are doing. Some (read: a lot) of people just dislike the whole idea/philosophy behind MF, me included. The idea of deliberately gimping yourself, running low(er) level content in a game about getting as strong as possible just do not sit well with some people.

And as Jonathan said in the latest Ziggy/Nugi/Raiz podcast; MF is OK, but when MF'ing low(er) level content is more profitable than doing non-MF high(er) content, it becomes a problem.

But even then it's the league mechanic and not MF itself. They could throw out a mid-season balance patch and scale rewards more appropriately with map tiers

I've wanted Group MF abolished since the inception of the game. This league is out of control lol

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ArtCrusade wrote:

But even then it's the league mechanic and not MF itself. They could throw out a mid-season balance patch and scale rewards more appropriately with map tiers

The league mechanic isn't doing anything to the idea/philosophy of MF. Sure, it quantifies it and makes the problem larger, but it has always been a problem. Removal of MF would make balance much easier, both the game as a whole - and future league mechanics.

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hmcg020 wrote:

Why do people hate MF?

They sacrifice 1 (to 2) links in a 6-link, boots, rings, amulet, helm and chest slots for MF items that's usually don't provide any/much power otherwise.

They dont sacrifice anything. You can easily get MF char to be so strong enough that you dont notice any diffrence (except this league where monsters can be 100 times stronger).

If you can run the most lucrative maps as an MF char then that will always be the best choice, there is no ifs or buts about it.

I like mapping, that is pretty much what i always do for the whole league.
To me the answer is always make a league starter then transition into an MF char every league. Why would i choose to get less loot by playing a non MF char when a geared Mf char can do everything anyway except maybe 100% deli maps, but even then a super geared MF char can still do that.


Removing all Quant/rarity items would make the game more fun for me cause i could play more builds, and just simply try more things. Have more variety.

Now, you can say playing MF is your choice nobody is forcing you. While that is true, in my head this game plays kind alike a PvEvP game. You are comparing yourself to others in a way all the time. I want to get the best items, i want to eventually mirror a bow for example in temp leagues. So thats why im feeling forced to play MF.

I left the game because of "MF is good for the trade economy". Enjoy that trash on the difficulty level even below than baby mode without me.

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fenixsemcinzas wrote:

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The real money makers this league are the crafters for all this crap. You seen the simplex prices lol? Just finding a base ammy is 100 div.

Heist is insane money if you build for it.

There are other options, I'd rather not give away too much info!


A lot is being left on the table from just basic mechanics since everyone wants to run MF.


Explore your options people! There is a lot you can take advantage of when a lot of people ignore those options for MF

Now that I am trading its kinda cracked some of the strategies that are out there

Good to hear bro. Yeap, that's what i meant.
Like tainted oil strat. Past league Empy did a test with a character made to run blighted maps and made 23 div per hour. But with tainted oil being how it's right now, you can just throw more 4.5~5 div per map on average. If you can make a character to specifically run it, we are talking about 5 minutes per map. It can reach 80 div per hour with decent luck.
Same the other ones. A lab runner, an excelent mapper. Better profit. But I don't think can beat the tainted oil scaling.
Thanks for the tips too, gonna try take a look at those.
Thinking about heist. Check some builds.

You clearly didnt compare Empy strat to current situation. First of all, he uses 3 golden oils, 3 silver oils and 3 teal. You know what is cost of SINGLE run like that in Affliction? 3 golden oils = 3 div. 3 Silver oils = another 1 div. T14-15 Blight is 50c, T16 is 1 div.. Thats 4.5-5 DIVINES PER MAP just to open it. Second of all, he used Aura Bot. Why? Because to run Ravaged Blights corrupted, you need to have like 200M DPS, if you dont want to throw away "bricked" maps with mods that disable slow/stun towers, and ofc you dont want to throw away 4-5 div per brick (and you want to run them corrupted for Tainted Oils).
Cost of running those maps is INSANE now and you also need INSANE budget for your build to even start. That is not alternative to T7 cemetary. It has even higher entry point than that. He spent 115 Divines on 100 maps. You would need to spend 450 divines.
Yeah, enjoy making 80 div per hour from those maps... while also spending 55-60 divines per hour on those maps.

i just want to experience poe high end before poe2 starts but i think it wont ever happen

i feel like 90% of players such as myself will never get any good items or experience the "best" of poe

or maybe we're just at the limit

maybe im wrong 90% of pople are getting magebloods and hh

i can't even make 2 div an hour so none of this makes any sense

thanks

also i have a tab full of fossils no one wants so i farmed them for nothing :(

im not going to go list them all on trade -that would take forever

im trying to play a game,

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Mmmtastyy wrote:

i can't even make 2 div an hour so none of this makes any sense

thanks

Thats on you, not the game. Unless you are playing 15min/day, you can easily make enough currency to get even HH/mageblood. But you wont get it just doing whatever ad hoping some random monster will drop you 100 divines. Framing guides are a thing for a reason. You need to focus on one thing, do it for long period of time and thats how you profit.

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Mmmtastyy wrote:

also i have a tab full of fossils no one wants so i farmed them for nothing :(

im not going to go list them all on trade -that would take forever

How else do you want to make money if not by trading? You make no sense. Even those fossils that are normally worth 1-2c, if you have lets say 100 of them, you can sell them for 5c each and usually someone will message you for all 100 at once.