Recent Economic Abuse
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" Tell me when You go to ATM machine and You see that it spills money like crazy - what You do? |
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False equivalency - an ATM machine randomly spilling money would be a glitch, a bug, an error. Scrying and blocking the cards in the way that was done is not a bug in the game's code - it's working exactly how the game is designed in all normal use cases re: blocking cards. GGG just missed this edge case.
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" do you even know what happened in this situation? your analogy makes no sense. There was no glitch or bug involved, this was an oversight from GGG. We're still waiting for you to name what part of the mechanic that wasnt working as intended btw. |
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This exact thing is what I am referencing. If the ATM spits out money and you just continually take from it knowing its not supposed to you go to jail when you are caught for theft. That's the point. You guys are arguing a dead point. Every single player here knows that it was not intended to have that drop table. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Method doesn't matter. It was exploited after knowing it wasn't intended period. Any other argument is null and void and is why the players got banned. Had they have not exploited it 249 additional times, this would be a different conversation or better yet, not a conversation at all.
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So a mechanic just absurdly spilling out cards that would be game breaking long term isn't an error, bug, or glitch? Fascinating argument XD
Just so you know, GGG missing something is an ERROR or BUG! So its exactly the same. Comparable. " Last edited by PhrozenEclipse#6838 on Aug 2, 2024, 11:26:53 PM
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" The mechanic isn't the issue, it was when they learned of the ginormous bug. No one cares about the method, its the gamebreaking "Result" that wasn't intended and should have been reported. If a player is abusing the "Unintended" drops and don't say anything how exactly is ggg supposed to address it? That's the issue and why there should be an obligation to report it. The fact they did it 249 additional times shows more than just the knowledge that it was busted, but then abused for self benefit in spite of the detrimental impact to the economy and to the rest of the community that could have. For that reason, ban ban ban. |
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" Can you explain what exackly had to be done to use that mechanic? " Are you awaree that atm machine can be set badly by men? |
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" Absolutely false analogy. When you withdraw money from an ATM, you are taking out money that is yours, possibly paying a fee for that exchange, and have agreed to be liable for withdrawals, including possibly a sizeable penalty for over withdrawals. Your card/account terms do not allow you to withdraw money that isn't yours (subject to loan agreements). Game drops are allowed by the game and aren't forbidden. You aren't withdrawing drops that were yours to begin with. If people were pulling more currency/cards out of their stash, than their stash had, it would be such an exploit. The "exploit" was like a bank offering a 25 cent account credit for people who never used a bank branch office, 25 cents credit for people who only used their phone app to check balances and double credits for people who didn't use their account during peak hours, and the bank not realizing someone could $1.00 in credit not just per day, but for hundreds of transactions every day. A bank would halt such promotions and rewrite the rules. GGG should be declaring Mea Culpa on this bug. If GGG ever implemented diminishing returns, they would never have largely exploitable bugs. GGG has hundreds of millions of dollars of annual revenue. They can prevent these problems. Every league presents new potentially exploitable mechanisms. Some are for more damage, some for more survivability, some are for more loot. Previous "the Vision" patches only enforce the idea that GGG implements many such loopholes on purpose. That one small group would find them and utilize them to such a disadvantage of everyone else is almost certainly NOT what GGG wanted. They are well within their rights to stop such exploits. The blame lies in the mirror though in this case. This wasn't some weird manipulation of the game that forced errors. Imagine if their was a league where people were running T7 maps and making a fortune.... if such a thing had happened, surely we would remember it, and GGG could have learned from that. They already gate many things behind certain bosses and map tiers. This was easily preventable on GGG's part. PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910 Last edited by DalaiLama#6738 on Aug 4, 2024, 3:44:23 AM
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" It's easily preventable in hindsight; it's essentially impossible to foresee everything players will do. You're right, the bank analogy is terrible, primarily because the number of interactions is infinitely smaller than the number that get changed and updated every league-start in PoE. Again; exploit does not mean directly use a bug - it means misuse a weakness. Nobody using this exploit was unaware of its position as a massive outlier. The people using this strategy weren't doing so by mistake, nor are they the kind of people who don't well understand PoE and know that such output would be vastly outside the normal for the investment. There is some grey area where it would be reasonable for players to believe something was intended (not by being mechanically allowed, but by clear historical basis) despite it not being so. This is not that. This provided VASTLY higher return than any player experienced enough to be using it could reasonably believe was intended. It's not a matter of one party or the other being at fault; both are at fault. GGG doesn't "owe" people anything - it is their property and their rules. It's not a case of "well, GGG fucked up so everyone who used the mechanic is expunged of personal responsibility and immune from reprisal". Both parties fucked up, but game development is hard and bugs and balance issues are expected, while exploitation (of bugs and of functioning oversights) is not. |
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