GGG, Be Transparent: What’s Next for PoE 1

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

GGG slowly morphing PoE into a live service wannabe to respond to your craving for one did not make PoE "awesome" , it made it run into a doom-to-fail scenario where the absence of update immediately commute the game into life or death situation . So stop treating GGG as demons refusing to deliver your semestrial drug fix :
you pushed them into this non-sustainable strategy yourselves and this expectable outcome is now on you .

Again you all clearly behave like the typical MMO audience , time to move to your natural habitat .

"Slowly morphing"... You have to explain that, please. As well as explaining "wannabe".

And it DID make it awesome, and is probably one of VERY(!) few games in the history of games that have had a steady increase of players for more than 10 years. Hell, the last league was the most popular of all time. ALL games are "doom-to-fail" in the long run, but not every game can say that it has increased it player base for more than a decade.

Leagues/ladders were ALWAYS the plan for PoE 1 from the beginning, and they succeeded at making it a go-to game every single league. PoE 2 will go the same route, and it won't be "slowly morphing into" or a "wannabe", it will be planned and executed.

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ZidaneFFIX#1717 wrote:

Wait in which stream did that happen? the one last sunday?

Now I´m curious

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tycrus#4406 wrote:

I only saw the question from one of the streamer ghazzy or something where he asked about 3.26 and jonathan just said lets not get into it.

Before the launch of PoE2 they did a live stream Q&A with ZiggyD, it should be on youtube. During that interview they mentioned in passing that PoE1 3.26 they have the announcement planned for end of February.

That ZiggyD interview happened a week or two after they made the forum post about the 3.26 announcement being end of January.


They mentioned it so casually that a lot of people didn't catch it and ZiggyD just let the comment go without asking for more information.

PoE1 players litterally funded a PoE2 that wasnt even directed at them and they don't have the respect to make annoucements for their base players...
PoE2 is far from the PoE1 spirit, it's rather PoE for casuals.
I can't stand 1 hour playing PoE2, it's just boring.
I feel betrayed and scammed...

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

GGG slowly morphing PoE into a live service wannabe to respond to your craving for one did not make PoE "awesome" , it made it run into a doom-to-fail scenario where the absence of update immediately commute the game into life or death situation . So stop treating GGG as demons refusing to deliver your semestrial drug fix :
you pushed them into this non-sustainable strategy yourselves and this expectable outcome is now on you .

Again you all clearly behave like the typical MMO audience , time to move to your natural habitat .

I'll let Chris Wilson tell you why every point you've tried to make in this thread is wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM_5S55jUzk

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muzein#2324 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

GGG slowly morphing PoE into a live service wannabe to respond to your craving for one did not make PoE "awesome" , it made it run into a doom-to-fail scenario where the absence of update immediately commute the game into life or death situation . So stop treating GGG as demons refusing to deliver your semestrial drug fix :
you pushed them into this non-sustainable strategy yourselves and this expectable outcome is now on you .

Again you all clearly behave like the typical MMO audience , time to move to your natural habitat .

I'll let Chris Wilson tell you why every point you've tried to make in this thread is wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM_5S55jUzk

If you're younger than 30 yo , i've got bad news for you : this right here will not be the first time in your life a salesman delivered a sweet pep-talk to make you empty your pockets . Always remember he didn't meant most of what he said , because even if he did he works for a corporation that in the end only care about making your money their money . You'll get over this eventually .

If you're older than 30 yo , i've got worse news for you : either you are dumb or still refuse to learn from your past life experiences and sadly you will likely die a pauper . Too bad .

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Phrazz#3529 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

GGG slowly morphing PoE into a live service wannabe to respond to your craving for one did not make PoE "awesome" , it made it run into a doom-to-fail scenario where the absence of update immediately commute the game into life or death situation . So stop treating GGG as demons refusing to deliver your semestrial drug fix :
you pushed them into this non-sustainable strategy yourselves and this expectable outcome is now on you .

Again you all clearly behave like the typical MMO audience , time to move to your natural habitat .

"Slowly morphing"... You have to explain that, please. As well as explaining "wannabe".

And it DID make it awesome, and is probably one of VERY(!) few games in the history of games that have had a steady increase of players for more than 10 years. Hell, the last league was the most popular of all time. ALL games are "doom-to-fail" in the long run, but not every game can say that it has increased it player base for more than a decade.

Leagues/ladders were ALWAYS the plan for PoE 1 from the beginning, and they succeeded at making it a go-to game every single league. PoE 2 will go the same route, and it won't be "slowly morphing into" or a "wannabe", it will be planned and executed.

Before we go any further and i address some of the stuff you mention i just want to understand two or three things about what you say here :

1) how did you measured that "steady increase of players for more than 10 years" because frankly i do not see any of that on the metrics .
2) why are you assuming the last season was popular on it's own merit when a lot of veterans seemed to despise it , and why are you glossing over the fact that last season benefited a lot by the hype of the incoming PoE 2
3) if PoE 1 business model was that fantastic and if it is solely responsible for making GGG the company they are today ... then why on earth would they choose to kill for good that golden hoose a couple months after it's biggest season yet ???

It would be a huge mistake to neglect POE1 for POE2.

I like POE2, but it has obviously been "dumbed down" for more casual players. I put that in quotes not in a bad way, but they're clearly trying to reduce the complexity of the game.

But long-term POE1 players LIKE the complexity and depth of the game.

I like both but they shouldn't have made POE2 if they couldn't manage both, because POE2 isn't really a replacement for POE1 as designed.

And POE1 is a popular game that gets great engagement every league, even after they were neglecting it heavily for POE2 development. Player count has been steady or up for years. Leagues used to be every 3-4 months, and they've slowed a lot. And many have been smaller recently. There's no reason to scrap it, its a fundamentally different game, even if its in the same genre and game world.

If I had to choose between them I'd still choose POE1 with faster development times.

Here you have Edgar Allan POE planning his next POE1 build, why are you making him wait GGG? WHY??

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Before we go any further and i address some of the stuff you mention i just want to understand two or three things about what you say here :

1) how did you measured that "steady increase of players for more than 10 years" because frankly i do not see any of that on the metrics .

That's fine.

https://poedb.tw/us/League#ConcurrentPlayers

If we look at the league launch numbers from the last 20 leagues, it's easy to see an average, steady increase in players. If we also factor in consoles, Mac, standalone and the Epic launcher, I'm fairly sure it would show the same tendencies.

"But, but, most players only play for 3-6 weeks". So? If that makes them keep coming back for more every league, they would probably play WAY more in total than they would if PoE didn't "slowly morph into a wannabe live service", and was a regular pay-to-play game without regular updates.

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2) why are you assuming the last season was popular on it's own merit when a lot of veterans seemed to despise it , and why are you glossing over the fact that last season benefited a lot by the hype of the incoming PoE 2

Mostly because I didn't want to speculate. I am not the one assuming here, I'm using numbers. You are assuming. "A lot" of "veterans" always "despise" every league, depending on how you define "a lot". Leagues are experiments, and every league can't appeal to everyone. Again, "seemed", you're assuming.

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3) if PoE 1 business model was that fantastic and if it is solely responsible for making GGG the company they are today ... then why on earth would they choose to kill for good that golden hoose a couple months after it's biggest season yet ???

They aren't killing it, and I think you will be surprised about the numbers in 3.26. Tell me, if they DON'T like the business model, why are they doing the same for PoE 2?

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

GGG slowly morphing PoE into a live service wannabe to respond to your craving for one did not make PoE "awesome" , it made it run into a doom-to-fail scenario where the absence of update immediately commute the game into life or death situation . So stop treating GGG as demons refusing to deliver your semestrial drug fix :
you pushed them into this non-sustainable strategy yourselves and this expectable outcome is now on you .

Again you all clearly behave like the typical MMO audience , time to move to your natural habitat .

This is a ridiculous take. Seriously.

They've always been in a new league model with new mechanics since the very beginning. No one forced them into anything. It's not different than "Seasons". The only difference is they were aggressive with a 3-month cycle (which in my opinion was too aggressive).

If you think for one second that POE2 isn't going to have the exact same model, you are going to be very shocked. I promise.