Remove Rarity, and revert the droprates to before balancing it around Rarity

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babsa90#0800 wrote:

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Fae_Lythe#6750 wrote:

The "as intended" is balanced around Rarity.

The evidence I can provide is empirical.
Farm with 0 Rarity for 2 hours, then with 100 Rarity, and tell me what you think feels like the intended experience.

Couldn't you argue that purchasing equipment with rarity mods is an investment? Equipment is balanced around the fact that they have six possible mods, I think that having a non-essential mod (it does not boost DPS or increase survivability) that is nice to have (and not even necessary to max out) is something that allows more sophisticated itemization.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

And here just more of the same, just like in all of your posts.
Yet again changing the subject instead of actually arguing the point.

You claim that the game is balanced around having rarity.
I ask you to provide evidence.
Your evidence is that its basicly impossible to gear up without rarity.
I tell you that ive done it twice, and so have countless others.

You now start talking about trading. Which is irrelevant.

1. Trading is part of the game
2. To trade you need to have something to trade with, usually currency. So if I need rarity to get currency, and i had no rarity then how did I get currency to trade with in the first place?
3. My second char is ssf

You said empirical evidence is not evidence, I gave you a wiki page.
You said you geared up your characters with no rarity, I asked how.

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

And here just more of the same, just like in all of your posts.
Yet again changing the subject instead of actually arguing the point.

You claim that the game is balanced around having rarity.
I ask you to provide evidence.
Your evidence is that its basicly impossible to gear up without rarity.
I tell you that ive done it twice, and so have countless others.

You now start talking about trading. Which is irrelevant.

1. Trading is part of the game
2. To trade you need to have something to trade with, usually currency. So if I need rarity to get currency, and i had no rarity then how did I get currency to trade with in the first place?
3. My second char is ssf

You said empirical evidence is not evidence, I gave you a wiki page.
You said you geared up your characters with no rarity, I asked how.

Ok I will try to take this at face value.

I have now explained to you that I geared my second character in ssf with no trading. This has also been done by countless others.

Now please explain to me how my experience with gearing up without rarity (which ive just explained to you) is empirical evidence of the game being balanced around having rarity?

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Fae_Lythe#6750 wrote:

I can see the point, and I agree with the premise overall, but I don't think a semi-mandatory stat that affects your currency gain should exist on your gear.

Especially when you get none without it.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

Title.

You keep making new threads about the same topic and then everytime someone asks you to provide facts about where you learned that the game was balanced around having rarity you just stop responding and make a new thread.

Can you please for once provide any evidence, facts or references to where you learned that the game is balanced around having rarity? Especially since the devs litterally yesterday confirmed that it was working "as intended".

Maybe that way you will spare us of having to see you making a new thread every 15mins

The "as intended" is balanced around Rarity.

The evidence I can provide is empirical.
Farm with 0 Rarity for 2 hours, then with 100 Rarity, and tell me what you think feels like the intended experience.

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KaosuRyoko#1633 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

The "as intended" is balanced around Rarity.

The evidence I can provide is empirical.
Farm with 0 Rarity for 2 hours, then with 100 Rarity, and tell me what you think feels like the intended experience.

See, you're confusing what you want with what GGG intends. They have no impact on each other. You have no evidence a 0% MF character isn't exactly what GGG intends. In fact since they've EXPLICITLY made trade a central pillar of their entire game design, I'd wager this 0% MF example is exactly what they intend.

I honestly think you, and many other similar MF hates, are conflating MF and trade. The game absolutely is balanced around trade as being a central pillar of the game design and your character's progression. PoE1 and PoE2 were never intended to be a single player game you grind to the end, SSF was added way later as an optional mode for people that wanted the challenge and clout. I could be wrong, but the read I get from these topics is people that are against trade being a central part of character progression. Which is noted feedback, but not something that's every likely to change and so you may find other games more to your liking.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

The only conclusion I can draw from that is we have fundamentally different experiences.
In my experience, I got absolutely nothing with 0 Rarity, and Regals / Exalts slowly started appearing with 50+.

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Nyon#6673 wrote:

You are more then welcome to have the opinion and give feedback that you think gearing up without rarity is too hard. And even that rarity is a stupid unecassery stat.

But that is completetly different from insisting on the game being balanced around having rarity and making statements that are in direct opposite of what the devs have stated and then providing no reasoning or references to it.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

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KaosuRyoko#1633 wrote:

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

The "as intended" is balanced around Rarity.

The evidence I can provide is empirical.
Farm with 0 Rarity for 2 hours, then with 100 Rarity, and tell me what you think feels like the intended experience.

See, you're confusing what you want with what GGG intends. They have no impact on each other. You have no evidence a 0% MF character isn't exactly what GGG intends. In fact since they've EXPLICITLY made trade a central pillar of their entire game design, I'd wager this 0% MF example is exactly what they intend.

I honestly think you, and many other similar MF hates, are conflating MF and trade. The game absolutely is balanced around trade as being a central pillar of the game design and your character's progression. PoE1 and PoE2 were never intended to be a single player game you grind to the end, SSF was added way later as an optional mode for people that wanted the challenge and clout. I could be wrong, but the read I get from these topics is people that are against trade being a central part of character progression. Which is noted feedback, but not something that's every likely to change and so you may find other games more to your liking.

You're implying that the intended experience is for me to not have any Regals / Exalts, because those only started appearing once I switched to Rarity gear.
I tested this by farming Sekhemas for several hours with 0, then a couple more hours with 50 and 100 Rarity.

I find that not likely, and the most likely conclusion for me is that the game is balanced around having 100 Rarity.

Trade is irrelevant to me, I play SSF / HCSSF.