Numbers are absolutely plummeting
" You would be wrong.. of all my friends.. none stopped because of that. Every single one was because endgame is boring and because they ware waiting for more classes and weapons. |
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" Why would anyone care to solve a meta if GGG already announced a total wipe and large changes are coming? Last edited by Urza_Mechwalker#7393 on Feb 7, 2025, 5:11:20 AM
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" The amount of inaccuracies in here… First, what apples do you want to compare to? The reason I compared to not just POE 1 but multiple GOTY titles is because losing players this fast is perfectly normal, across virtually all games. But especially within the ARPG genre. That peak for POE 1? It was actually the lifetime peak for POE 1. The same pattern and the same drop off happened with literally every major release for the game. Look for yourself. Sharp peak, 10% retention 2 months later. Second, the game is not a pseudo mmo live service model. Among other things that would imply an expectation that major bosses require parties to beat them. It’s literally just a thing you’re making up. Third, the reason it doesn’t have leagues is because the game is *not finished yet*. It’s not a released game! It will have leagues, eventually, they’ve already confirmed as such. But they’re literally still building the game, it’s in alpha, so you are correct that it does not have leagues yet. But the idea that a less than half finished game should have leagues or better retention than a mature 10+ year old product is absurd. Fourth, it’s already a viable product. They have likely made more from POE 2 already than they made lifetime from POE 1. They don’t actually have monthly subscribers (again it’s not a mmo), they just need people to buy it, and ideally throw down for some cosmetics. The idea that peaks of 300k would be “disaster” when that would still be 1.5x the success of POE 1 is laughable. The players could drop to 1/10th of what they are and have peaks of 100k and it would still be a success. And fifth I don’t call them doomers. I call them intellectually dishonest, and several other things I won’t post here in the interest of maintaining a civil discourse. But not doomers. Last edited by GiantOctopodes#2562 on Feb 7, 2025, 8:02:26 AM
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" Proof requires fair and accurate data, not skewed numbers. For example, in the original post, comparing peak numbers to off-peak numbers is meaningless. That's like me comparing my local midday temperature yesterday to my local night-time temperature today and saying "Look how much the temperature dropped in a single day. Crazy!" So if you want to talk comparing apples to oranges, there you go. That's not to mention that POE2 is following the exact same number trends as all seasonal ARPGs of its type. Comparing it to other game genres (or those with completely different models) is fruitless. Again, apples to oranges. |
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" This is all very true. But we have to remember, that the release of PoE2 annoyed much of the original fanbase. A lot of people here in the forums are the loudest among those upset fans. They'll take a drop in numbers in a seasonal ARPG that's been in EA for two months and present that as proof of failure they really want to happen. There's no use arguing with them or trying to use common sense or logic, because all they want is an echo chamber. |
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I dont know about everyone else but im done until we get a reset. the dupe put me so far behind inflation I couldn't catch up without giving up a normal life. I just come here form time to time to see if we have communication
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In my opinion this should be normal: numbers dropping , I mean.
The whole concept of playing a game day in and out for years is insane. |
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I obviously understand that number of players dropping rapidly is normal in these type of games. The problem is that the game is so bad compared to poe 1 that many of them will never come back.
What is the point on working on new classes and adding acts when the endgame is terrible? They have made so many bad choices compared to poe 1 that it will take them another 10 years to revert them. Literally no big streamers are streaming poe 2 atm. They know its shit. They will come back for the new "league" only to quit 2 weeks later. In the new league the decline of players will be much more rapid. Some of the streamers dont even pretend to like poe 2 anymore. Straight up playing dead poe 1 leagues. |
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" Again, disingenuous. There are 3k viewers of POE right now. 9k viewers of POE 2. In other words there’s pretty much as many people watching POE 2 as there are playing POE 1. The inverse is decidedly not true. And no “big streamers” are playing a half complete game where they already reached endgame and nothing has changed? Who would have guessed! But they certainly didn’t go to streaming POE 1, the numbers don’t lie. As far as it being “so bad” compared to POE 1 you’re certainly entitled to that opinion. For every one person playing POE 1 right now who might share that opinion approximately 14 are playing POE 2 instead and thus we can infer they do not agree. This I highly doubt they’ll be reverting those choices. Let’s see how many folks play 0.2.0 once it hits. Let’s see how many play the next big patch for POE 1. I’d wager good money the former will far outstrip the latter. Last edited by GiantOctopodes#2562 on Feb 7, 2025, 5:47:32 PM
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Well if you dont see the problem then I cant help you.
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