Auction House when?

This is why there will be no auction house in Path of Exile:

"The auction house came out of the desire to legitimize third party trading so that players would stay in the game to do their trading rather than go to third party sites, and as a result reduce fraud, scams, spamming, and the profit in hacking the game, making dupes, etc. The problem is, of course, it over-legitimized trading. It made it too easy. I think we all know this by now and the consequences. We worried about these consequences ahead of time, but we thought the benefits would outweigh the downsides, and WoW’s AH seemed like a good proof of concept. Obviously we were mistaken."
- Jay Wilson (Lead Designer of Diablo III)

The biggest ARPG out there tried it and it was deemed a disaster by most of the gaming community.

Since gear never wears out, when it can be efficiently traded the market becomes flooded with very very good gear. The 100th best item found by a top player is still better than what 99% of players will find on their own.

The average player finds nothing worth using or even selling, and instead gears exclusively from the AH. Mobs might as well just only drop currency and the AH being randomly generated by the game. For most players that is exactly what it would look like. The players with the best gear becomes those who are the best at trading, buying low and selling high. It becomes like a trading simulation.

Crafting also becomes a waste of resources for everyone except the very top tier players. Most players do not have any gear worth using even a divine on, even less so for whittling or mirror. Better to trade it to a top player for one of their almost-good-enough-to-use items so they can continue to chase perfection.

An AH needs friction, the friction could come in other forms than the logistical friction used now but I don't think GGG wants to risk getting it wrong.

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FanaticGuru#2780 wrote:

This is why there will be no auction house in Path of Exile:

if something begins like that, i dont read following text.

i dont like pathetic **posts, so no need to waste time

there should be no auction house in this game. ggg hold on

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Rassomaxa69#5346 wrote:

there should be no auction house in this game. ggg hold on

..said scammer

Still +1 for AH. Still no luck with current antiquated system. Still sellars are either off-line or can't be arsed to respond. The current system is soul destroying and must surely be driving many away.

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The biggest ARPG out there tried it and it was deemed a disaster by most of the gaming community.

The D3 auction house was a disaster because it used real money. It legitimized people paying real money to each other for in-game items with Blizzard and PayPal both taking a cut from the players' sales. That is why the "community" considered it a disaster.

It cannot be held as an example of why not to have an auction house for in-game items only.

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lord_emperor#2792 wrote:

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The biggest ARPG out there tried it and it was deemed a disaster by most of the gaming community.

The D3 auction house was a disaster because it used real money. It legitimized people paying real money to each other for in-game items with Blizzard and PayPal both taking a cut from the players' sales. That is why the "community" considered it a disaster.

It cannot be held as an example of why not to have an auction house for in-game items only.

It was a disaster on multiple levels. The real money and in-game currency AH were both disasters and the reason both were removed. Both undermined a core gameplay experience of finding loot.

It is an example of how an AH can go wrong. A game designer that repeats that mistake is risking their career.

I am not saying an auction house cannot be made to work. Just that it is difficult and risky. GGG has shown no willingness to take on that difficulty or risk. There are down sides to an auction house that many do not seem to appreciate.

I also agree that the current system is bad. So bad that I don't trade which might be the goal. I would prefer they just get rid of trading all together and increase drop rates over the current system. I think almost everyone including GGG agrees the current system is bad.

They could be brave and innovative and have a dozen employees brainstorm for a few weeks and come up with a new system that was very conservative to start with and then easy up until they found the right balance. Where most players are using a few key pieces of AH gear but still finding most of their gear. That is very unlikely to happen though. Instead those dozen employees are most likely going to be working on completing the game features already announced for EA.

just make that freakin istant sell / instant buy out avalible! this is the most annoying part.

i really dont prio the ingame AH or anything.

The cancer is, we dont have instant buy/sell

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FanaticGuru#2780 wrote:

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lord_emperor#2792 wrote:

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The biggest ARPG out there tried it and it was deemed a disaster by most of the gaming community.

The D3 auction house was a disaster because it used real money. It legitimized people paying real money to each other for in-game items with Blizzard and PayPal both taking a cut from the players' sales. That is why the "community" considered it a disaster.

It cannot be held as an example of why not to have an auction house for in-game items only.

It was a disaster on multiple levels. The real money and in-game currency AH were both disasters and the reason both were removed. Both undermined a core gameplay experience of finding loot.

DING DING! You just hit on the root of the problem!

Why do people want to trade items? Because they cant find/gamble loot they can use that provides an increase in power/ability!

The problem is so bad that enough people are butting their heads against the current trade implementation and saying 'jeez, this sucks so much! Why cant we just have an auction house and do away with this silliness that enables scammers?'

So if GGG does NOT want an auction house, they need to reduce the demand on the current trade system, which means...we need better loot drops.

I never wanted an AH in diablo 2 or borderlands because enough loot dropped that I was able to make incremental improvements or sidegrades to my character. I barely touched it in diablo 3 and only went back after they removed it because they designed their itemization AROUND the RMAH and made the entire playing experience suck because of it. I only went back to D3 after they fixed thier itemization, not because they removed the AH.

TL;DR - people want an AH because loot drops suck and we have to rely on the law of averages in a big sample to get decent gear. Let us find the gear and we wont NEED an AH.

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DING DING! You just hit on the root of the problem!

Why do people want to trade items? Because they cant find/gamble loot they can use that provides an increase in power/ability!

The problem is so bad that enough people are butting their heads against the current trade implementation and saying 'jeez, this sucks so much! Why cant we just have an auction house and do away with this silliness that enables scammers?'

So if GGG does NOT want an auction house, they need to reduce the demand on the current trade system, which means...we need better loot drops.

I never wanted an AH in diablo 2 or borderlands because enough loot dropped that I was able to make incremental improvements or sidegrades to my character. I barely touched it in diablo 3 and only went back after they removed it because they designed their itemization AROUND the RMAH and made the entire playing experience suck because of it. I only went back to D3 after they fixed thier itemization, not because they removed the AH.

TL;DR - people want an AH because loot drops suck and we have to rely on the law of averages in a big sample to get decent gear. Let us find the gear and we wont NEED an AH.[/quote]




This is a different case.

Your point is valid, but it does not eliminate the need for an AH.

We need an AH for many reasons—millions, in fact.

By the way, an in-game auction system is not essential. What is essential is instant trade.

It’s that simple. This is the core of the discussion.

If someone is against instant trade, they are a scammer. There is no other explanation.

However, if someone wants instant trade but not an AH, that’s a different matter.

Clear your minds, guys. Who in their right mind wouldn't want instant trade?