Path of Exile: Keepers of The Flame - Bloodline Ascendancy Classes

I love coming in to see toxic poe community back at it. xD Thanks GGG! I for one am excited for the new content.

Still sane exile?!

You can tell a lot of these people have no idea how to build new things and need to wait for guides to tell them what to do. Many of the bloodlines are very strong.

People are looking for an ascendancy that says: "UR FAVORITE ATTACK IZ 50% MORE STRONK"

I don't think they're useful enough to spend Ascendancy points on them. They don't work for the builds I want to make, and they have too many tradeoffs. If the points were separate from Ascendancy, it would be an additional buff, but I think they're afraid of breaking something, so they're playing it safe and boring. They're just tests to see how they fare.

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FreshMeat93#0508 wrote:

Agreed on this dude.
Im in same situation - wanna start on some melee/Slam/strike stuff on Jugg/Champ or Slayer - but noone of these Bloodlines is ok for melee/area/strike skills.

They like completely ignored them and make those ascendancies primarily for Summons/Casters/Ward/Chaos damage and few utility ones.

For casters/chaos players, Lycia, which is the bloodline everyone seemingly is saying is one of the few without many downsides, it doesnt even tickle chaos damage either as it is very niche -- phys damage to extra chaos damage. its some kind of bastardization of original sin where they want you to convert, while not providing full conversion, and while being very specific to phys wanders....

So casters are out. They make it so that they've nerfed even the non-meta D-tier builds so they fall down to F-Tier.

mind you, these are all paltry considerations as the bloodlines are not free. You have to literally take a hit on your primary ascendancy.

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ENSASKE#0724 wrote:

I don't think they're useful enough to spend Ascendancy points on them. They don't work for the builds I want to make, and they have too many tradeoffs. If the points were separate from Ascendancy, it would be an additional buff, but I think they're afraid of breaking something, so they're playing it safe and boring. They're just tests to see how they fare.

yeh, trade offs are kinda bad and there are too many nodes with a downside.

If your build doesn't need anything and regular class has better options, you just stick to the better option. That's it.

But if i'm playing a forti stacking champ and pick up 6 pts (forti 4 pt and taunt node) then i'm pretty much forced to take the low life adrenaline thing cos rest is utterly useless (banners lol OR impale node only useful for very niche impale build)

With those I can dump a shitty node like this and pick up a good Farrul node that will give me attack and movement speed on crit. I don't scale any minion stats so these tigers won't do any real damage but I'm happy with the buff alone. It's better than this low life thing that never procs during my mapping.

I usually don’t send feedback on forums, but I feel like I need to this time.
I’ll try to stay positive and point out what actually feels useful in some way.

Lycia: Chaos conversion for some stacker or herald builds? Ok!

Oshabi: Seal point for boss killing and rage point for some attack builds? Ok, even though I don’t like the vivid point.

Trialmaster: Some hipster Vaal build...

Catarina: 12% defense per spectre — I don’t even know if anything else is worth it, since I’m not a necro player, but with my limited knowledge it’s easy to see that the standard necro points are better than the others, unless it’s for a really niche setup.

King in the Mists: Some kind of life stacker? +1 ring, but you lose flask, belt, or amulet — I don’t know, man, a lot of downsides no matter what you choose.

Aul: One of the most difficult bosses in the game, yet its points are really weak to say the least.
50% aura effect is really, really low for 2 ascendancy points.
And you need to use Ralakesh to have both aura effects? If not, it’s even worse, because only one aura gets buffed.
The other one is pointless since nobody would sacrifice 2 ascendancy points to get, at best, 3 benefits between them.
I can only imagine some very niche “Untouched Soul”-type build using it.

Farrul: What’s the point of having attack speed per minion?
Even with minion attack speed and Spiritual Command, attack builds already have too many things to invest in to make it work — and you’d still need to invest in minion life to keep the buff consistent.
It feels way too similar to the Umbral Army point.

Delirium: Does the reflection even deal damage?
Why does the Schizo Dissociation point have two downsides? It doesn’t make sense!

Olroth: I don’t play ward builds, so I don’t know.

Overall, everything feels really restricted and niche.
This isn’t a good way to make creative builds emerge.
You still have time to change this before Friday — please buff the weak ones and remove the overtuned downsides.

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fuxxnuts2#3126 wrote:

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FreshMeat93#0508 wrote:

Agreed on this dude.
Im in same situation - wanna start on some melee/Slam/strike stuff on Jugg/Champ or Slayer - but noone of these Bloodlines is ok for melee/area/strike skills.

They like completely ignored them and make those ascendancies primarily for Summons/Casters/Ward/Chaos damage and few utility ones.

For casters/chaos players, Lycia, which is the bloodline everyone seemingly is saying is one of the few without many downsides, it doesnt even tickle chaos damage either as it is very niche -- phys damage to extra chaos damage. its some kind of bastardization of original sin where they want you to convert, while not providing full conversion, and while being very specific to phys wanders....

So casters are out. They make it so that they've nerfed even the non-meta D-tier builds so they fall down to F-Tier.

mind you, these are all paltry considerations as the bloodlines are not free. You have to literally take a hit on your primary ascendancy.

Man, you're acting like every ascendancy has 8 points worth of good stuff to take... they don't. These will bandaid some serious holes in fun, moderately powerful ways.

50% increased grace aura effect on aurabot - millions of dmg for armor stacker carry on late phase.
Aul service won't be cheap.

Not gonna lie... These blood line ascendencies have tanked my expectations for grafts and foolborne uniques. Hope I'm wrong........

i dont mind trade off as long as the bonus is good enought but they look horribly weak and nich.

may be for builds that have nothig to pick for the third/fourth keystone but even then they are to nich.

Agony crawler with lycia could be interesting but thats about it.