Why Large Maps Don’t Work in Path of Exile 2 (aka Where are the roads?)

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

Just because it's intended gameplay doesn't make it good design...

A boss can be meaningful because it tests player mechanics, forces resouce management, creates tension, good bosses are memorable, punish mistakes if the boss has enough damage (which is one of the reasons defense isn't so strong unless you go out of your way to be overgeared, and that's also fine), has counterplay, can be overcome by skill which is rewarding etc

If you take my example of the burial bog cheese layout tho, those puddles of water do absolute nothing other than being annoying and slowing the player down. It doesn't add any depth to the game, no alternate paths, don't reward any exploration because there's nothing to explore

Being a design choice doesn't mean it's a well thought or well executed one. It's no surprise map layout is one of the biggest complains about the game, although less nowadays because of sprint

Let me say it again a little more clearly: map layout and the pointless friction it creates was/is a shitty point of the game. The "change your mindset" argument is weak because GGG themselves acknowledge it's shit, and that's why they gave you sprint

What is being discussed here isn't if it's shit or not, what is being discussed is how could they make it less shitty or if more should be done aside from just giving the player sprint

There’s a huge difference between meaningful friction and this empty and annoying friction which is what we have now. If I wanted to test my patience on maps I would be playing solitaire or something, not an arpg

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Vergoth42#2613 wrote:

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iHiems#0168 wrote:

Just because it's intended gameplay doesn't make it good design...

A boss can be meaningful because it tests player mechanics, forces resouce management, creates tension, good bosses are memorable, punish mistakes if the boss has enough damage (which is one of the reasons defense isn't so strong unless you go out of your way to be overgeared, and that's also fine), has counterplay, can be overcome by skill which is rewarding etc

If you take my example of the burial bog cheese layout tho, those puddles of water do absolute nothing other than being annoying and slowing the player down. It doesn't add any depth to the game, no alternate paths, don't reward any exploration because there's nothing to explore

Being a design choice doesn't mean it's a well thought or well executed one. It's no surprise map layout is one of the biggest complains about the game, although less nowadays because of sprint

Let me say it again a little more clearly: map layout and the pointless friction it creates was/is a shitty point of the game. The "change your mindset" argument is weak because GGG themselves acknowledge it's shit, and that's why they gave you sprint

What is being discussed here isn't if it's shit or not, what is being discussed is how could they make it less shitty or if more should be done aside from just giving the player sprint

There’s a huge difference between meaningful friction and this empty and annoying friction which is what we have now. If I wanted to test my patience on maps I would be playing solitaire or something, not an arpg

Sorry, but repeating your point of view in harsher terms isn't going to convince me any more. I understand that you want simple corridors so you can "go faster" but where? Nobody knows, but you want to get there faster... Fine... Well, sorry, but the devs don't agree with you. That's just how it is. If you want to zoom-zoom through maps quickly, maybe PoE 1 is your solution.