Cobra Lash and the follow-through cluster jewel change

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

Sure, but in your scenario you're saying "it goes to zero" instead of "it steps down to the next most potent node", not "we didn't unwind the opportunity cost to take those 6 medium clusters, we should do that and check our options", its just "my build is wrecked, please don't wreck my build". and its not even that wrecked, and it isn't even like you can't apply dot cap to full screens with pennance brand for fractions of cost of the build each of you are talking about. It isn't like ice trap doesn't scale way harder than either of those builds for way less investment.



Also, I'm going to explain this to y'all again, we haven't seen all the new gems and the ones we have seen are pretty outrageous. The foulborn one looks like it maybe might quadruple the output from a stormbrand autorecaller build, or more. I get that getting nerfed feels bad man, but you're getting so many new toys. I'm pretty sure with moderate investment you can hit dot cap using that hextoad support using a single poison. Go look at the new stuff.

somehow i wouldnt trust anything you say after that 300mil dps cobra lash post...

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

Sure, but in your scenario you're saying "it goes to zero" instead of "it steps down to the next most potent node", not "we didn't unwind the opportunity cost to take those 6 medium clusters, we should do that and check our options", its just "my build is wrecked, please don't wreck my build". and its not even that wrecked, and it isn't even like you can't apply dot cap to full screens with pennance brand for fractions of cost of the build each of you are talking about. It isn't like ice trap doesn't scale way harder than either of those builds for way less investment.



Also, I'm going to explain this to y'all again, we haven't seen all the new gems and the ones we have seen are pretty outrageous. The foulborn one looks like it maybe might quadruple the output from a stormbrand autorecaller build, or more. I get that getting nerfed feels bad man, but you're getting so many new toys. I'm pretty sure with moderate investment you can hit dot cap using that hextoad support using a single poison. Go look at the new stuff.

I never said it went to 0, I did say it is a massive nerf, and it is, you don't seem to realize how important stacking Follow-Through is to make Cobra Lash viable, notice here that I say, to make it viable, and not big D energy OP.

Why you think we've been asking GGG to buff Cobra Lash properly? Go check Cobra Lash gem thread...

I can tell you right off the bat that with the new stuff won't even reach close to what we have with Follow-Through stacking. I wish I'm wrong and you're right, but I've been playing this skill since 3.12 with a lot of changes and adaptations, even today I still mess around with it just to see how far it can go at a reasonable investment value.

Thanks Zarkbit it is nice that someone else understands what GGG did to Cobra Lash. I have been playing it for I think 4 leagues now in a row and fine tuning and improving it every league.

People just don't bother to understand the skill just spout their BS. Do they think we like to travel on the Passive tree all the way to another large cluster site and buy/make very expensive large and 2 medium clusters? I guess so. They also don't understand or acknowledge that without the specifically designed interaction with remaining chains the skill is really weak and basically unplayable in the end game and it is a bad leveler also with no flat and only one projectile so you have to use at the minimum a lesser volley skill which not only takes a gem slot but has a significant projectile damage penalty also.

Anyway, I have to admit I was stunned when this follow-through nerf happened with GGG very obviously forgetting about Cobra Lash and then no response so close to the league start. The foulborne claw (although I didn't previously want to use it) would have made up a lot of the DPS but the dex stacking makes creating an all around build impossible and it got nerfed also.

Not good and I guess I'll switch and "eat" my hundreds of hours becoming an expert at the skill and buying the MTX (yes small $ but still come on...).

Cobra Lash thread has 13 posts, Incinerate post has 792 posts, if I'm a game designer I'm looking at the incinerate post over the cobra lash post because you aren't really asking for changes but "compensation" for your builds that are going to the accretion league. If your sole and only concern is what to do with your characters once they get to the accretion league I would follow the lead of this guy : https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/standard/character/Niko1963-4012/Khan_CL?i=0&search=skills%3DCobra%2BLash%26sort%3Ddps since he is currently the record holder for cobra lash dps.

You're being compensated with an entire new league to play with a, hopefully, entirely new top end meta. You're being compensated by not being pigeonholed into repeating one singular notable being required for your build, and being given the opportunity to rework your build into something more fully actualized. There is a whole mess of exceptional supports we still haven't seen yet, and if even 3 of them are tangentially related to your build you're very likely going to have a good time with it.

Or you can just reroll 4-5 of your medium gems to the repeater notable.

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

Cobra Lash thread has 13 posts, Incinerate post has 792 posts, if I'm a game designer I'm looking at the incinerate post over the cobra lash post because you aren't really asking for changes but "compensation" for your builds that are going to the accretion league. If your sole and only concern is what to do with your characters once they get to the accretion league I would follow the lead of this guy : https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/standard/character/Niko1963-4012/Khan_CL?i=0&search=skills%3DCobra%2BLash%26sort%3Ddps since he is currently the record holder for cobra lash dps.

You're being compensated with an entire new league to play with a, hopefully, entirely new top end meta. You're being compensated by not being pigeonholed into repeating one singular notable being required for your build, and being given the opportunity to rework your build into something more fully actualized. There is a whole mess of exceptional supports we still haven't seen yet, and if even 3 of them are tangentially related to your build you're very likely going to have a good time with it.

Or you can just reroll 4-5 of your medium gems to the repeater notable.

Did you even look at the build? 9 Follow-Through jewels+Nightgrip....
We've been asking GGG to do something with Cobra Lash, because the only viable way of getting it endgame with decent damage is through Follow-Trough, and you suggest a build that has a bunch of Follow-Through clusters with Nightgrip ward stacking......

I suggested paying attention to what that guy does, and specifically him, because we know he has resources and we know he understands how to optimize a character. So if he is as committed to cobra lash as you claim to be, he'll have his online within hours.

In the mean time, if you can't figure out how to make cobra lash do end game damage, which mathil proved can be done quick, fast, in a hurry, on a budget, on stream, twice, just play something else.

100% increase for a single notable is still HUGE.

Many skills do not have such luxury.

Maybe they need to nerf it some more, like 10% per remaining chain.

Then, they should just buff the base skill abit.

Buff cobra lash please