Chaos damage and why it hurts the game in it's current form.

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C2487233 wrote:
and yes elder scroll games can be done glass cannon. hiding from a shadow. head shotting with a bow. hardly counts :p


Skyrim is the other extreme and made Glass Cannons too strong. I quit at level 60 because NOTHING could touch my Archer.
Did you know level 91 is the halfway point to level 100? This means that a softcore character dying ONCE at level 85+ can lose many days of progress.
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bhavv wrote:
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GhostlightX wrote:
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Vooodu wrote:
Part of being a glass cannon means ONE hit will kill you... So, what evs'.

If you make a glass cannon deal with it.


His point is that glass cannons and other "freaky" builds are no more viable in default than they are in hardcore. And he is 100% right.


Its even more funny that whenever I post my glass cannon builds on this forum, everyone here only ever replies with ...

'OMG You need MORE HP NODES!!!!11111oneoneoneoneoneoneoneoneone'.

Erm, thats kind of my point, I want to specify damage only. Why cant I successfully play a damage only character when so many other people can successfully play HP only?


And why are you thinking, a pure glass cannon will work? It's viable means not, it's undestructable. A glass cannon is the opposite think of undestructable. And if you going to die, if your are facing a group of mobs and cannot shoot them all down, before they shoot on you, your glass cannon does what a glass cannon should do. Die. If you wouldn't die, the game were cheesy, but not balanced, like the skyrim expample from the poster above this post.

In every game, where you focus on damage, where you can build such a glass cannon, you have to consider some sort of defensive strategy to max your damage and avoid ANY incoming damage because you are dying on hit. And you can play this gamestyle. You can hit and run, you can spark or poison a room without entering it, you can let tank minions or totems the enemys. You can kite and trap them. You can slow and frost them.

What you cannot, is just standing, facing a group of mobs and plow them down. That's the tank playstyle, not the glass cannon playstyle. This builds only works in MMOs, because you have another player, tanking the enemy. If you want this playstyle, you have to group up. Games allows min-maxed chars who are only in groups viable too.

Picking up a few health notes, using some items with a dedicated healthbonus (without hp nodes stacking is useless) and hording some very good resi items (even if there are blues) don't hinder you to go the dps way mainly and is far away from this "you need 95% health nodes" nonsense.

Game isn't easy after all. And the free choice in character building includes the "choice" to build characters, they didn't work. You have to choose wisely what you want, what you need and what you can pass.

Last edited by Nibori#5674 on Feb 18, 2013, 2:09:08 PM
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GhostlightX wrote:


Skyrim is the other extreme and made Glass Cannons too strong. I quit at level 60 because NOTHING could touch my Archer.


Especially when you use the mod that actually fixes the physics of trajectories with arrows and adds falloff to arrows. Then, sniping with a bow becomes amazing. My favorite past time in Skyrim is seeing how far I can hit someone from ranged with a bow. lol
OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Skyrim Master difficulty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxAE4I9ssmM

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in DDO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v7o15GoSzM

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Baldur's Gate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFW_Q4ky6Ss

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Sacred 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Txj3qTOdl0

OMG a Glass Cannon (PC at least at the point of the game the video was taken at) PWNING in DAO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jm7Ivl3tyY


OMG Like all that should be IMPOSSIBLE???
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- PoE TOS.
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Nibori wrote:


And why are you thinking, a pure glass cannon will work? It's viable means not, it's undestructable. A glass cannon is the opposite think of undestructable. And if you going to die, if your are facing a group of mobs and cannot shoot them all down, before they shoot on you, your glass cannon does what a glass cannon should do. Die. If you wouldn't die, the game were cheesy, but not balanced, like the skyrim expample from the poster above this post.

In every game, where you focus on damage, where you can build such a glass cannon, you have to consider some sort of defensive strategy to max your damage and avoid ANY incoming damage because you are dying on hit. And you can play this gamestyle. You can hit and run, you can spark or poison a room without entering it, you can let tank minions or totems the enemys. You can kite and trap them. You can slow and frost them.

What you cannot, is just standing, facing a group of mobs and plow them down. That's the tank playstyle, not the glass cannon playstyle. This builds only works in MMOs, because you have another player, tanking the enemy. If you want this playstyle, you have to group up. Games allows min-maxed chars who are only in groups viable too.

Picking up a few health notes, using some items with a dedicated healthbonus (without hp nodes stacking is useless) and hording some very good resi items (even if there are blues) don't hinder you to go the dps way mainly and is far away from this "you need 95% health nodes" nonsense.

Game isn't easy after all. And the free choice in character building includes the "choice" to build characters, they didn't work. You have to choose wisely what you want, what you need and what you can pass.



Where did I claim I wanted to be indestructible? I wish only to be able to gain more XP than I lose, be able to complete all the content, and be able to beat end game maps with a character specced entirely with DPS nodes.
(b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted.

- PoE TOS.
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bhavv wrote:
OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Skyrim Master difficulty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxAE4I9ssmM

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in DDO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v7o15GoSzM

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Baldur's Gate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFW_Q4ky6Ss

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Sacred 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Txj3qTOdl0

OMG a Glass Cannon (PC at least at the point of the game the video was taken at) PWNING in DAO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jm7Ivl3tyY


OMG Like all that should be IMPOSSIBLE???



those guys never died once while leveling up?



edit: maybe you should just go back to those games if this one is causing you so much frustration...
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Last edited by C2487233#3346 on Feb 18, 2013, 2:14:12 PM
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C2487233 wrote:
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bhavv wrote:
OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Skyrim Master difficulty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxAE4I9ssmM

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in DDO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v7o15GoSzM

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Baldur's Gate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFW_Q4ky6Ss

OMG a Glass Cannon PWNING in Sacred 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Txj3qTOdl0

OMG a Glass Cannon (PC at least at the point of the game the video was taken at) PWNING in DAO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jm7Ivl3tyY


OMG Like all that should be IMPOSSIBLE???



those guys never died once while leveling up?


Maybe, but if they did they didnt lose any progress and could still beat the content with more experience. In single player games, saving and reloading is great.

I play one class, and one class only in every RPG I play, pure caster with maximum offense within the mechanics of the game (E.G. in DDO that would be instakills with Necromancy spells, In DAO, I play a CC / Debilitator role with Morigan specced to DPS and Wynne on healing and buffs).
(b) Personal abuse, foul language, inappropriate subject matter, obscene, harassing, threatening, hateful, or discriminatory or defamatory remarks of any nature ... are not permitted.

- PoE TOS.
Last edited by bhavv#7360 on Feb 18, 2013, 2:15:35 PM
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Deceptionist wrote:
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solistus wrote:
If you don't have anything of substance to say about the chaos damage mechanic, why are you posting?


Your expectations prevent you from understanding how I am productive. You think people here should just know chaos mechanics? Nah, mate. I know the psychology of people, and people's complaints are certainly psychological. I deal with these things psychologically, and one day I will deal with them mechanically, but right now I am still new to PoE (a little over a week), and I like to think that I know a lot more than most people who played around that same time. I have been doing my research, but the one thing I already know I am good at, is dealing with people. And that's what I'm doing.


What the hell did I just read? You're a narcissistic egoist.
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bhavv wrote:


Where did I claim I wanted to be indestructible? I wish only to be able to gain more XP than I lose, be able to complete all the content, and be able to beat end game maps with a character specced entirely with DPS nodes.


My build would be considered glass cannon by some means. Up until last night, I hadn't taken CI. I have 1,500 es + life total, around 30% resists in merciless, and had taken no defensive nodes in Chaos Resistance. Still gained 5 levels last night to hit 63, in which it was pretty roll face. Why? Because of instead of thinking that the passive skill tree is the only way to build defenses I compromised to add defenses in my playstyles instead. I use curses like Enfeeble and Temporal Chains, keep auras up, and use minions.

You don't survive because your build doesn't compensate for the lack of defenses you do have.
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HonkHonkBeep wrote:


What the hell did I just read? You're a narcissistic egoist.


I get this a lot, but only from people who didn't understand me from the start.
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