Chaos damage and why it hurts the game in it's current form.

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bhavv wrote:

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Elynole wrote:

It truly amazes me how out of touch some people are with building correctly.

Define 'correctly'. Why isnt DPS, more DPS, and nothing but DPS correct? And if it isnt correct, then why shouldnt it be?

because avoiding damage in this game is very hard.

i fully support glass cannons in games where you can flip, dodge, dive and ninja your way around.

but saying "im not going to get hit" in this game, is foolish.

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Elynole wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

Define 'correctly'. Why isnt DPS, more DPS, and nothing but DPS correct?

Because you're dying, so obviously you're doing it wrong. Thus, the opposite of correct.

Maybe, but then I will just say that if you're staying alive, then you arent killing things fast enough. If you are then the game is unbalanced and biased, which is my point all along.

If a player specced in DPS cant stay alive, then a player specced in defense shouldnt be able to kill anything.

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C2487233 wrote:

because avoiding damage in this game is very hard.

i fully support glass cannons in games where you can flip, dodge, dive and ninja your way around.

but saying "im not going to get hit" in this game, is foolish.

Right, then maybe that needs to be improved then.

This game also isnt finished, dont forget that.

The worst thing possible for the final game would be for only tanky builds to be viable in this game.

I already have a developer response saying that act 3 mob damage is going to be reduced.

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bhavv wrote:

Maybe, but then I will just say that if you're staying alive, then you arent killing things fast enough. If you are then the game is unbalanced and biased, which is my point all along.

If a player specced in DPS cant stay alive, then a player specced in defense shouldnt be able to kill anything.

You're correct.

A fully defensive spec'd player, not taking any nodes in DPS isn't going to kill things as fast.

A fully offensive spec'd player, not taking any nodes in defense isn't going to stay alive as long.

Those two things are true.

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Elynole wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

Maybe, but then I will just say that if you're staying alive, then you arent killing things fast enough. If you are then the game is unbalanced and biased, which is my point all along.

If a player specced in DPS cant stay alive, then a player specced in defense shouldnt be able to kill anything.

You're correct.

A fully defensive spec'd player, not taking any nodes in DPS isn't going to kill things as fast.

A fully offensive spec'd player, not taking any nodes in defense isn't going to stay alive as long.

Those two things are true.

BUT the game is biased then because the defensive specced character can kill everything in the game, but the offensive specced character cannot survive anything.

Do you see the point yet?

wagh... my poor thread :(

Side note, glass cannons in POE still need a way to survive damage. You are going to get hurt. That's just the way it is in POE. How you mitigate or avoid that damage and deal damage back is a large part of what makes POE fun. There is huge diversity in the ways you can avoid damage of all types, except of course chaos damage. For that you need HP or Chaos resist. :)

Defenses not effected by chaos damage from AOE chaos damage monsters:
Block, Evasion, Energy shield, Elemental resist, Armour, Dodge, Movement speed, Minions, Endurance charges, Totems.
Defenses that effect/mitigate AOE Chaos damage:
Life, Chaos resist.

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bhavv wrote:

BUT the game is biased then because the defensive specced character can kill everything in the game, but the offensive specced character cannot survive anything.

Do you see the point yet?

No, because both are limiting their effectiveness. The defensive player can't kill as fast and risks meeting a set of mobs that takes so long to kill that they finally die. A glass cannon limits themselves to being one shot if their DPS isn't good enough to kill everything fast enough.

Both have their limitations.

Again, I ask, for the third time: How would YOU balance this game around glass cannons being viable without making everything else with a little more defense not that much more viable?

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bhavv wrote:

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Elynole wrote:

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bhavv wrote:

Maybe, but then I will just say that if you're staying alive, then you arent killing things fast enough. If you are then the game is unbalanced and biased, which is my point all along.

If a player specced in DPS cant stay alive, then a player specced in defense shouldnt be able to kill anything.

You're correct.

A fully defensive spec'd player, not taking any nodes in DPS isn't going to kill things as fast.

A fully offensive spec'd player, not taking any nodes in defense isn't going to stay alive as long.

Those two things are true.

BUT the game is biased then because the defensive specced character can kill everything in the game, but the offensive specced character cannot survive anything.

Do you see the point yet?

Do you not see how that amkes sense...

Always been that way, whats different now. Making GC's viable makes TANKS beyond god mode anyway. You must be dumb.

Surely if a GC can almost tank, then a TANK would just.. Faceroll too.

Why not stat everyone out at lvl 100 with 135 stat points? Thatll surely solve all your problems right?

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Elynole wrote:

Basically, again as I've stated before...you're wanting to face tank with a glass cannon and win the game.

WRONG.

I want to be able to beat the game with a RANGED GLASS CANNON.

That currently cannot be done. And taking any defensive nodes = / = glass cannon.

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Elynole wrote:

You're arguing now that you should be able to have 600-800 HP, be a glass cannon, and not get face rolled in merciless? This is laughable, you could get one shot by Vaal in Normal with those defenses.

WRONG.

Vaal beaten with a level 1 with under 250 HP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4LppRXmnq8