Read here to help keep POE free of JSP using trash-->

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

The issue has nothing to do with the quality of the community there or the previous promotion of cheat software.

It's a simple issue, really. PoE is meant to be played within the limits of how it's designed. D2JSP goes outside these limits and allows players to trade a variety of outside elements to gain elements inside PoE. This is not how the game is designed. Therefore, using FG to purchase items in PoE should be considered cheating. Granted, there's not much that can be done about it, but that doesn't mean it should be condoned and certainly doesn't mean it should be encouraged. It degrades economies in games and leads to things like D3's RMAH.

As testers and future players, shouldn't we be supporting GGG by playing their game the way they design it instead of going behind their backs and using a 3rd-party currency that skews the game's economy?

Which is why the rest of my goddamn post goes on to speculate that we won't even need to worry about this, since I'm pretty sure the planned system will be a perfect fit.

Sadly, no matter how you feel about JSP and FG, if they want to get involved in PoE, there is very little anyone can do about it since it would be damn near impossible to catch people in the act.

Gorlak.. i know you're doing this for the right reasons, trying to *protect* this fine game is a noble gesture.. but please be aware that d2jsp can be beneficial to Path of Exile.

As we all know D2jsp revolves around Diablo 2, and has a lot of members ( over 650 000 atm ). Most of those users are Arpg fans.. it will really help spread the word about Poe.

Not all jsp users are bad mannered.. in fact, the vast majority are well behaved, but like always.. the black goats tend to stand out a more. Me, for one, never used any cheats in my years of playing D2, not even Map hack.


If we are *cheats*, or *trash* just for being d2jsp members... then you can add me to your list.

I am not a JSP'er, but take note of this. It would not necessarily be wise for GGG to acknowledge this thread and admit using d2jsp is an ok thing to do, as it's generally not good to recommend your customers use a third party site (liability). While they may post accepting it, it is more than likely they will not post to deny d2jsp as a legitmiate site, and you can gather as much from them not posting that it's illegal as you can from them posting that it is.

If that makes sense.

TL;DR/idungetsit - If GGG posts nothing here, they don't care if you use d2jsp.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

As testers and future players, shouldn't we be supporting GGG by playing their game the way they design it instead of going behind their backs and using a 3rd-party currency that skews the game's economy?

I personally started using jsp because of how ridiculously hard it is to acquire an exalted orb from other players. To me, it is only a mean of "fusing" orbs into a single currency so that I can buy other items with it. I'm not spending a single real dollar and I'm not using gold earned from another game. This is strictly for PoE trading.

Btw, I do consider buying (as in, using real money) their forum gold and then trade it for items as cheating.

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mobutu wrote:

For my part i really do not care where or how you heard of a free game called PoE.
And going to the point that "it's good advertising" ... lol man, it's a free game after all.

How do you think "free to play" games make money? If someone figured out a way to make money magically appear out of ISP bills, server maintenance and employee salaries then I really need to get in on this little secret.

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mobutu wrote:

That is a stupid comparison and everybody knows it.

D2JSP members have come here to give their opinion, not attack you or the other people in this thread who oppose it. Why can't you join this mature argument instead of derailing it with anger?

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GusTheCrocodile wrote:

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pttw wrote:

Only way would help fighting with it (as with possible future cheaters) would be making acc signed not to email but to your unique cpu/system name

You can't do that; anyone who upgrades their PC is locked out of their account, that'd be crazy.

And with the amount of different places and ways for people to contact each other on the internet, paying people to stalk trading forums and the like is just throwing money away. GGG may by all means end up having a policy against external trading, but they should be sensible enough to understand that such a policy is unenforcable. Devoting resources to that battle, resources that could be going toward actually improving the game, would be a huge waste.

Spoofing that information is too easy to accomplish as well.

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Azhubham wrote:

Entire Post

We appreciate your maturity and intellect when posting your points. Thank you.

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

The issue has nothing to do with the quality of the community there or the previous promotion of cheat software.

It's a simple issue, really. PoE is meant to be played within the limits of how it's designed. D2JSP goes outside these limits and allows players to trade a variety of outside elements to gain elements inside PoE. This is not how the game is designed. Therefore, using FG to purchase items in PoE should be considered cheating. Granted, there's not much that can be done about it, but that doesn't mean it should be condoned and certainly doesn't mean it should be encouraged. It degrades economies in games and leads to things like D3's RMAH.

As testers and future players, shouldn't we be supporting GGG by playing their game the way they design it instead of going behind their backs and using a 3rd-party currency that skews the game's economy?

While I agree with your opinion, you should really think more critically, think beyond the simple transaction of currency (we'll refer to Forum Gold from here on out as currency) for items.

Player A has 200 Currency
Player B has twenty chaos orbs
Player C has ten fusion orbs and twenty alterations.

Player A is just starting PoE
Player B has long quit playing PoE (his orbs are simply rotting, no use to anyone else)
Player C recently quit playing PoE (his orbs are simply rotting, no use to anyone else)

Player A meets player B and C on D2JSP and buys 20 chaos orbs from player A for 100 currency, ten fusion orbs and twenty alterations from player C for another 100 currency.

Player A is now able to trade the previously useless (to the community and economy) orbs for low level items, thus stimulating the economy allowing useful items to go out (ones that people avidly trade for) and more useless (those items that people semi-occasionally use, if ever) items to be used instead of sitting in one's stash. Ultimately, this allows the PoE community to get use out of the items that GGG's RNG loot system has allowed a player on the server to loot.

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Sunflow wrote:

Gorlak.. i know you're doing this for the right reasons, trying to *protect* this fine game is a noble gesture.. but please be aware that d2jsp can be beneficial to Path of Exile.

As we all know D2jsp revolves around Diablo 2, and has a lot of members ( over 650 000 atm ). Most of those users are Arpg fans.. it will really help spread the word about Poe.

Not all jsp users are bad mannered.. in fact, the vast majority are well behaved, but like always.. the black goats tend to stand out a more. Me, for one, never used any cheats in my years of playing D2, not even Map hack.


If we are *cheats*, or *trash* just for being d2jsp members... then you can add me to your list.

In fact, I could trust a random D2JSP member over a random person in any game One hundred times to one.

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Faerwin wrote:

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WhiteBoy88 wrote:

As testers and future players, shouldn't we be supporting GGG by playing their game the way they design it instead of going behind their backs and using a 3rd-party currency that skews the game's economy?

I personally started using jsp because of how ridiculously hard it is to acquire an exalted orb from other players. To me, it is only a mean of "fusing" orbs into a single currency so that I can buy other items with it. I'm not spending a single real dollar and I'm not using gold earned from another game. This is strictly for PoE trading.

Btw, I do consider buying (as in, using real money) their forum gold and then trade it for items as cheating.

How many times have you tried trading off a stack of Alchemy orbs for the "appropritate" value in game?

Then how many times have you individually sold those orbs on D2JSP, gotten their approapriate value and then gotten what you desired prior?

I can answer this for you, many, MANY times

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Ironsolid wrote:

Player A is now able to trade the previously useless (to the community and economy) orbs for low level items, thus stimulating the economy allowing useful items to go out (ones that people avidly trade for) and more useless (those items that people semi-occasionally use, if ever) items to be used instead of sitting in one's stash. Ultimately, this allows the PoE community to get use out of the items that GGG's RNG loot system has allowed a player on the server to loot.

Now tell me. Do you honestly think that it will help the game that Player A, as a new player, because of a 3rd party currency that he possess, can get a head start on items when pretty much the whole game concept is to collect items to progressivly get stronger? Wouldn't it be more likely that he becomes bored of the game because he will be 'done' faster?

Furthermore, on the subject of rotting currencies in people's stashes. Why, exactly, is it bad that an inactive player's assets goes to rot? In your scenario, where no currencies are lost, we will also get an ever increasing amount of currencies available on the market thus lowering their market value and at the same time making items easier to craft/get hold of. This will naturally happen anyway as population rises but I just wanted to illustrate why, in my opinion, people who are not playing the game shouldn't continue to contribute to the game's economy.

The beauty of this game's currency is that it's all disposable. A player at lower level still needs to replace that low level gear to progressively become stronger. Hell, I have a 6 socket Volls, I've wasted over 70 Fusion orbs on trying to get it to at LEAST 5 link. In order to min/max in this game a LOT must be sacrificed.

Regardless; Boycotting D2JSP is like boycotting profits for GGG, I would be ashamed to boycott a group of individuals, especially such a large community such as D2JSP, publicly due to the impact it would have on the developers of the company. D2JSP will bring hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of customers to GGG, which will ultimately bring thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars.

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How is this any different from obtaining low level orbs on D2JSP and then getting items with them?

I'll come forth and admit I'm the one who had suggested to the site d2jsp.org that a PoE sub-forum be put up for us and it's been 100% successful in getting the word of the game out to thousands of more people. I've pmed Chris before about the topics I've made to promote the game over there. Including my site suggestion topic months ago. And he generously gave me beta keys to hand out. I don't think he has a problem with it.


Also if I might add. Diablo 2 would've died years ago if d2jsp was not around. I'm pretty sure that the sole reason people still play d2 is for forum gold.

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Ironsolid wrote:

The beauty of this game's currency is that it's all disposable. A player at lower level still needs to replace that low level gear to progressively become stronger. Hell, I have a 6 socket Volls, I've wasted over 70 Fusion orbs on trying to get it to at LEAST 5 link. In order to min/max in this game a LOT must be sacrificed.

Whether or not you need a lot of currency items to get your desired results does not change anything of what I wrote above.

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Ironsolid wrote:

Regardless; Boycotting D2JSP is like boycotting profits for GGG, I would be ashamed to boycott a group of individuals, especially such a large community such as D2JSP, publicly due to the impact it would have on the developers of the company. D2JSP will bring hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of customers to GGG, which will ultimately bring thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars.

The best support to GGG will always be playing the game the way they designed it and using the services they provide (ie. cash shop, in-game/forum trading, etc.).

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Ironsolid wrote:

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How is this any different from obtaining low level orbs on D2JSP and then getting items with them?

I'm not sure what you mean here. If he is trying to do a trade with orbs he obtained by playing then there's the difference.

So what you're saying is the best way I can support the game is by playing it and not encouraging D2JSP users to play the game as well? No offense intended, but I think you should take some more time to post before you actually do it. Your arguments are uneducated and inconclusive.

Have you ever used D2JSP or bothered to interact with a member of D2JSP in a positive manner? The community from D2JSP is full of wonderful people you WANT on your server. These are the people you WANT to trade with. You know you want to trade with these people because they have a reputation they WANT to care about. They are, for the most part (there are always exceptions to the rule), people who won't rip you off because you're new to the game. These people won't simply give you 2 chaos orbs for an Exalted orb just because they can, they will be part of the community that helps inform you that your exalted orb is worth a LOT more than you're asking for.

These are the people we need on our servers, not people who accuse a conglomerate of being cheaters and negatively attack them every time they speak in world chat.

If anything, D2JSP is ruining PoE because of people who feel the need to be combative towards D2JSP members in world chat. Maybe address some of your attention to those people?