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Think about one thing. The currency system is taken directly from Diablo 2 and placed into this game with some differences. High runes were the currency in D2 and in POE it is Orbs. Now, D2JSP never came close to ruining the economy in D2. DClone Hunters farming for annis affect the trade economy more and it still never quite broke it. And you know why? Everything is temporary in this game.... EVERYTHING WILL BE DELETED AT SOME POINT WHEN THE LADDER RESETS.

That being said, I don't see a problem if someone really wants to pay real money for FG and buy an item that they have no property rights to and can be deleted without notice or simply because of a ladder reset. Its a video game with virtual items. I'm pretty sure it would be safe to say that for the past 21 years or so that online ARPG's have around, there has been some sort of trading real things for in game things.

What you are saying is this.

(you)"Hey man, look we're just sitting here playing some gauntlet legends man."

(friend)"Hey man, I really like that item that just dropped. Here I'll give you $5 bucks out of my pocket if you let me have it"

(you)...silence... walks out the door and never sees his friend again...


In fact I almost want to say that it is people like you that mess up the economy. Refusing to trade with someone and calling them cheaters because of a prejudice shows that you are ignorant to who they really are and too arragont to care...

And I would like to add one more thing. What I think GGG would consider ethically wrong would be for some farmers to go out and make bots to gather items and then sell those items for real money so that the person who owns the bot can make money by selling in game things. This would be ethically wrong.

Paying a "finder's fee" for an item with real world money can be considered unethical. However, D2JSP is not a site for that. The owners of the site do make money from their site but it doesn't profit off of the sales of any items from any game except for maybe the house game ladder slasher. D2JSP is a community that was created and expanded and has come to be probably the largest ARPG community in the world. I don't think there is anything unethical about someone running a site and getting paid for the services rendered to the community.

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Ironsolid wrote:

So what you're saying is the best way I can support the game is by playing it and not encouraging D2JSP users to play the game as well? No offense intended, but I think you should take some more time to post before you actually do it. Your arguments are uneducated and inconclusive.

Have you ever used D2JSP or bothered to interact with a member of D2JSP in a positive manner? The community from D2JSP is full of wonderful people you WANT on your server. These are the people you WANT to trade with. You know you want to trade with these people because they have a reputation they WANT to care about. They are, for the most part (there are always exceptions to the rule), people who won't rip you off because you're new to the game. These people won't simply give you 2 chaos orbs for an Exalted orb just because they can, they will be part of the community that helps inform you that your exalted orb is worth a LOT more than you're asking for.

These are the people we need on our servers, not people who accuse a conglomerate of being cheaters and negatively attack them every time they speak in world chat.

If anything, D2JSP is ruining PoE because of people who feel the need to be combative towards D2JSP members in world chat. Maybe address some of your attention to those people?

My argument is simply that I think it's better to use the in-game currencies for trading in the game without mixing in any 3rd party currency. The "problem" comes from the fact that you can get your forum gold from other games (or real life money) which essentially enables you to be powerful in PoE without actually having to play the game.

I have no doubt that the community members of D2JSP might very well be good people and if my posts gave you another impression I apologize.

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caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaps wrote:

This sounds like a powerful argument against random currency drops. What if a new player finds a mirror? Why, he could trade that for items!

Heck, this works with friends too. What if a new player has friends with some decent low-level gear they're not using? Gifts!

If the game is that fragile, maybe some core mechanics need to be reconsidered.

If someone gets lucky that's just part of the game. The same kinda goes for gifts. If you're lucky to have generous friends then you can indeed speed through the game faster than someone who is not as lucky. Boosting in one form or another is inevitable no matter how well the game is designed.

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servvs wrote:

Think about one thing. The currency system is taken directly from Diablo 2 and placed into this game with some differences. High runes were the currency in D2 and in POE it is Orbs. Now, D2JSP never came close to ruining the economy in D2.

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Paying a "finder's fee" for an item with real world money can be considered unethical. However, D2JSP is not a site for that. The owners of the site do make money from their site but it doesn't profit off of the sales of any items from any game except for maybe the house game ladder slasher. D2JSP is a community that was created and expanded and has come to be probably the largest ARPG community in the world. I don't think there is anything unethical about someone running a site and getting paid for the services rendered to the community.

I don't think anyone could have honestly said this better.




Here's the thing I'm seeing. kalroG, MagicLady and a few others are simply using "you're from D2JSP" to act like a 12 year old.

Evidence?



I don't usually say this to people, but you need to stop dwelling on your hatred and grow up. Forgive, forget. Whatever bad experience you had on or around D2JSP (whether it being breaking the rules on the web-site and being banned/locked/scammer tagged or simply meeting someone from D2JSP who was a dick) is obviously making such an impression in your life that you go out of your way to burn calories being angry then taking it out on D2JSP members not only publicly but VERY explicitly.

I'm sorry to say, but if this is honestly the case you should speak with a medical professional because it's unhealthy.

Oh how nice to see people who use d2jsp defending d2jsp and tout it as a necessity for the game to even be fun or actually be successful.

d2jsp ruined Diablo. Secondary markets shift the favor to those people who are established in it. "forum gold" can be aqcuired for real money. If everyone starts trading everything for forum gold everyone will be forced to have a d2jsp account. Guess who makes money off of that? Guess who are being paid to post in favor of this? End of discussion.

GGG, forum gold, d2jsp, and its creators and members are cancer. Do you want people that are playing your game to be forced to have an account and collect secondary market currency? Do you want to have completely new players being alieneted like this? Ban these cancereuous pigs. No matter how reasonable, placid, or even-keeled their arguments are it only serves in the end to benefit them - more so than anoyone else.

I guess I can draw many parallels to greedy corporations asking for new laws or markets to adjust a tiny small thing with excellent arguments that make it appear that not having them would make things worse. In the end this weed will grow to block everything and if anything wants to grow it only becomes a stunted seedling.

Addendum:
Looking at the post above mine is a perfect example of what I'm saying. He's not the bad guy, oh no. Everything is just a misunderstanding, etc, etc. If you think they are bad then you are wrong and need help. It doesn't excuse juvenile behavior, but neither does even remotely validate that d2jsp is OK by any means. There is no logical argument or evidence. Pathetic really.

corneredreality, you are really delusional...

jsp is a secondary market, not the primary one. If people start asking for forum gold ABOVE in game items then yes, it will be a problem. But if it stay as a secondary market, it will actually benefit the game.

Btw, no one is getting paid by that website.

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Faerwin wrote:

corneredreality, you are really delusional...

jsp is a secondary market, not the primary one. If people start asking for forum gold ABOVE in game items then yes, it will be a problem. But if it stay as a secondary market, it will actually benefit the game.

Btw, no one is getting paid by that website.

Thank you for informing me with such a colorful attribute.

If you actually can read you will see I do state it's a secondary market, and if you can actually read more than two sentences you will know why it's bad in this case.

Though the history of the world is a lesson. Why do you think cash is the standard currency and in natura trade is gone? If you are going to be smart about your possessions you will get forum gold. Sure you cant trade x for y orbs. But you can't be certain that y will be as valuable after a patch or is valuable in respect to the thing you want to trade it for. A less fluctuating currency allows a safety net. That is exactly what happened to d2.

So let me get this straight: A website which makes money from having visitors and having a % of the visitors even buy their stupid fake money is NOT going to try to get more people to join their site? They aren't going to try to subvert a new game's market so they get a flood of new visitors which already net them more money but also potentially will buy their products?

If I was running that damn website I would. I would even pay loyal members with benefits to try and get as many people and games to join my secondary market. But ya that NEVER happens on the trustworthy internet.

Dumbass.

No matter how their opinion on this matter is, the mods should have a word with the people who are hosting a list of "trash" beta members in the official PoE forum, openly harassing them in ingame chat and calling them "cancerous pigs".

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dust7 wrote:

No matter how their opinion on this matter is, the mods should have a word with the people who are hosting a list of "trash" beta members in the official PoE forum, openly harassing them in ingame chat and calling them "cancerous pigs".

So lets then ban everyone that disagrees with d2jsp. Good idea. I mean opinions are not valid if they verbally assault a person or group of people right?

The only reason people argue so vehemently and violently about it because of the train wreck it has caused and future impending ones as well.

Look how scared Blizzard was, they even added their own RMAH.

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corneredreality wrote:

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dust7 wrote:

No matter how their opinion on this matter is, the mods should have a word with the people who are hosting a list of "trash" beta members in the official PoE forum, openly harassing them in ingame chat and calling them "cancerous pigs".

So lets then ban everyone that disagrees with d2jsp. Good idea. I mean opinions are not valid if they verbally assault a person or group of people right?

I never implied anything of the above.

If you can't make a point without insulting someone else then you don't really had a point to start with.

You can disagree with someone without insulting their existence you know...


And I haven't heard of jsp ruining any game. D2 was solely ruined by bots, hacks and enigma.