free unlimited respec on passive skill (or a sandboxed Free Unlimited Respecs League)

I only see a free full respec option only if they had to drastically change the Skill tree.

I think we should actually feel really lucky that we have the chance to respec at all.

Realistically, the Passive Skill Tree isn't all that difficult to understand. PoE is just like every other game out there when it comes to one thing... you learn the game by playing it. Once you've played for a while, you (as a player) have learned the game. Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that after playing for 20 hours that your a quote-unquote expert or anything, but you do have a pretty good idea of how the game works, including the Passive Skill Tree.

After players have learned the game a bit, I don't see many of them having any real issues with the Tree. Once you've got a character going, I don't see many players having an issue knowing where they want to go on the Skill Tree.

It's always possibly to make a bad choice, sure. It's happened to me already. Just yesterday, I used 2 respec points to go back and follow a different path on the Tree. And that's really where a respec point or two come in really handy. A total respec of a character is essentially a totally new character. If you want to do that, then start a new character from scratch.

imo
20 Regret Orbs = 1 Shard of Amnesia(grants 20 respec points at once)

5 Amnesia Shards = 1 Orb of Amnesia(full respec)

As things are now, there's already unlimited respecs with regret orbs, it just takes time to get the orbs and a lot of clicking to fully respec. This way would make it faster (not necessarily easier since it'll still take the same amount of orbs)and would add some more items to trade. The only time this would be an advantage is if you have over 100 skill points, which is what? level 90? From what I've been hearing round these forums it'll take forever to get there in the first place.

There could also be a quest that has currency items as a reward. Change the rewards based on difficulty so only the hardest difficulty can get 1 Orb of Amnesia and the lowest difficulties get some amount of Orbs of Regret and Shards. And this would be if someone wanted those over stacks of other currency

No,NO,NO

People are hand held in enough games these days.. That is why games these days get so OLD after 2-3 weeks..

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cwhit5150 wrote:

problem is this tree is TOO BIG to not have a respec option. Im full tank templar and now when i solo im useless

You're doing it wrong.
I never group. I find no purpose to it, what so ever, beyond company, and chatting. So I can't relate to a spec revolving around grouping, but still. Gimping your damage so you can face tank a extra hit or two...is very counterproductive. Your spec must be completely ignoring damage to say you're useless. But that's your fault, it's not on the game design or anyone else.
Sure my 55 Templar only does 1800 dps while my Shadow does 5k, but everything dies all the same, and I can face tank it.
"Full tank" does NOT mean spec with no damage out put. Stop doing it people. You make the class look bad, and the forum posts about it make my brain hurt.
You get access to a lot of armor, and block. How does that equate to " I'm gonna ignore Catalyze+ a shit ton of ele damage and be a gimp that can take a few hits"?
Plus, this is not an MMO. You aren't playing a map to eat damage in someone elses place. You can try, and make a good go of it, but really. You are a melee damage dealer that can take a lot of damage.

RPG's need choices, with results, and consequences. There is waaay to many games on the market with trivial choices that mean nothing.
If you spec'd wrong ( yes doing gimp dps all in the name of being a "tank" is doing it wrong), deal with it. Collect some orbs of regret,spend your quest reward respec points, or reroll.

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Charan wrote:

What, and waste that incredible passive tree tool they've put on this very website so that you can pre-plan meticulously instead of rather ignorantly just jumping straight into the game and going OHMYGODWHATISTHISMESS?!

I disagree. I understand why so many people dislike respecs and they are probably the majority of players in this game so I don't even bother to ask for easier ways to respec anymore, but the skill calculator is not perfect tool to let us actually test the build to see how effective it is.
Even for experienced players it's difficult to decide (without actually testing) if the build would be better with an specific "branch" or another.

I really can't see any problem in a separated league allowing us to respec for free.

There are 16 Quest respec points.
There are also 3 different orbs you can use for respec!(chance,scour,regret)

If you really made a fail build then either respec or start another character!

I think it's already easy enough to respec the passives!
I had to respec about 40 points once and guess what; I managed to trade other orbs for the regret orbs in a few hours so its not an impossible task to respec a huge fail build with a little communication and patience.

making respeccing easier would destroy a unique aspect of this game which i'd personally hate.

The devs seem to think they can reach beyond a small hardcore niche by making the ability to respec a grind in its own right (the current system), and I think they're mistaken. Many people with jobs and families don't have the time nor inclination to do again and again and again and again and again and again (got the point?) the same low level content (I've got 50 hitpoints and a white weapon, yay!) just to be able to test another class (or even worse spec of the same class) 50 hours later. You know what, it's not worth it to me.

I just don't get all these people who want games to feel like work. My real job is demanding enough already, thank you very much. If you enjoy tedious timesinks then play hardcore on a Pentium computer with a molten steel buttblug for all I care, but don't force it on other players to jump through the same hoops. To all the people adamant to dictate how *other people can play*, well I don't see how your desired gameplay is more valid than mine. Don't want to respec? Then just don't. And it's relatively easy to code free respecs so that they can't be used to cheese past content (i.e. change to a high resistance spec for a single fight) with relatively short respec cooldowns.

I bet there's a bunch of people who can get interested in the mechanics this game offers but who are not going to sacrifice their first born just to maintain interest past the first character/spec. Use leagues if you have to cater to no-lifers whose self esteem relies on their ability to watch paint dry for entire days, but please reconsider respec scarcity as it won't lead to the sustained interest you expect from it - just the opposite.

People are arguing about the wrong things. OP is not asking for easier respecs, hes proposing a league mode allowing players to test their builds to see how effective they are. Stop diverting from the main objective of this thread.

On topic: I would love planning crazy builds like, let's say, a summoner duelist, but currently there's zero possibility that I'll try that because it has a high chance of failure and it will be a complete waste of time if I reach a high level just to see the build failed.

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Ohtee wrote:

Many people with jobs and families don't have the time nor inclination to do again and again and again and again and again and again (got the point?) the same low level content (I've got 50 hitpoints and a white weapon, yay!) just to be able to test another class (or even worse spec of the same class) 50 hours later. You know what, it's not worth it to me.

I just don't get all these people who want games to feel like work.

Hate to break it to you, but you are playing the wrong type of game.

These kind of games are meant to be a grind.

The game simply doesn't cater to the casual gamer such as yourself.