[3.21] 🌿Ultimate Claw Poison Pathfinder - Untouchable Viper - Molten Strike update by FEL

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Since Delirium started i've tried to beat the non-cluster passive tree as for almost every other build cluster version gives major boost in probably every way.
To my conclusion, for dps in 90% of cases based on players gear without sacrificing either life or defenses, default passive tree is still the best one.

Are you sure about that? Without testing that I kind of really doubt it, since most people would agree, that the new passive skillpoints bring A LOT power to the players, no matter what you focous on.

This build in particular is exceptionally flexible so we could work fine without them, but others (like my Righteous Fire Trickster for example) would not work, around 45% of his DPS comes from the new cluster nodes and especially stacking multipliers, as well as like 1.5k Energy Shield.

I´ll run a test on my pathfinder tomorrow on POB, I imagine I end up with eigher lower life, resistances or damage when speccing out of the new Clusters.

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Vennto wrote:

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Since Delirium started i've tried to beat the non-cluster passive tree as for almost every other build cluster version gives major boost in probably every way.
To my conclusion, for dps in 90% of cases based on players gear without sacrificing either life or defenses, default passive tree is still the best one.

Are you sure about that? Without testing that I kind of really doubt it, since most people would agree, that the new passive skillpoints bring A LOT power to the players, no matter what you focous on.

This build in particular is exceptionally flexible so we could work fine without them, but others (like my Righteous Fire Trickster for example) would not work, around 45% of his DPS comes from the new cluster nodes and especially stacking multipliers, as well as like 1.5k Energy Shield.

I´ll run a test on my pathfinder tomorrow on POB, I imagine I end up with eigher lower life, resistances or damage when speccing out of the new Clusters.

I've run without cluster jewels for the longest part of this league, only made the switch a few days ago. And I actually have to agree with Torstein here.
For the majority of players the non-cluster version is a lot easier and safer to run, since you have a lot of points to invest into defensive things on the tree, that you otherwise have to cut for cluster nodes.

That said: if you do have the currency to optimize around clusters and get into the high 90s (96+) the cluster variant is superior without question.

At this point my char only lost a very tiny bit of blockchance and a few utility nodes but gained about 4.5m DPS and some different utility (Resistance to Chaos DoT for example).

BUT: This switch took a LOT of currency, most notably on the Amulet. It's hard to make the Int requirement of the build without the Thief's Craft 30 Int node, which is probably out of reach with clusters involved.

TLDR;
You got the money and the Points: Go clusters
You only get started on this build: Go standard tree.

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I've run without cluster jewels for the longest part of this league, only made the switch a few days ago. And I actually have to agree with Torstein here.
For the majority of players the non-cluster version is a lot easier and safer to run, since you have a lot of points to invest into defensive things on the tree, that you otherwise have to cut for cluster nodes.

Thanks man. Then it makes sense that I feel cluster jewels are indeed helping me out. I have literally nothing else to do with the build except getting a double corrupted armor (bit short on money now due to the RF-Trickster xD) but I put around 100ex in that char and I hit 97 so yeah, Cluster Jewels ofc work for me then.

On the Intelligence Problems: I have found a really easy workaround - Fertile Mind is the answer. My build also differs a bit from everyone elses, have a look at it, maybe you find something interesting for yourself (or even have suggestions for improvements?) but the fertile mind really solves all intelligence Problems.

https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAABAIDAABeAdwCEQUtBbUGcAahCC4JWA0iDY0R1RR1GNsZjhxfIWAi6iP2KaUuCC4jLlMwfDIBMgk1kjXvN9Q64TrtP2xDMUSeR35KfUscTZJN41AAUUdTu1b6V5dbmVuvXkVgQWNwZU1sRm87cmx07XTxd-N4DXp_eu99dX8rf4B_loAigUGDvYTZh3aNfY2_j8GT_JuNnMSet59tplepbrIZtfK3Ir02vqe_1cAawYvPes_p02_TftP82L3awdun3efe-OXm5ojo1u0_7YPuDu968W3yRfrr_MX9Af6P_rr_EA==?accountName=Vennto&characterName=Psn_Ivy

I'll disagree for the sole fact Low Tolerance/Fettle/Enduring Composure/Brush With Death Exists.

Maybe your Shaper DPS will be similar or better, but I'd argue there is no way your clear is better than using a Low Tolerance setup, and Fettle alone gives 300+ HP. And Free Endurance charges are hard to beat.

In reality, the thing you are giving up is block chance to fit these in. Now, we can argue cost, now thats a thing, but at this point there are so many good things that can go with Low Tolerance, its not a very expensive node to get. Theres like 4-5 other good passives, which makes its overall value/cost much lower, unless you are specifically trying to use like, Low Tolerance/Wasting Affliction. Which I would argue is not the thing to get, and the only reason I got them, is because I have 2% life on kill on my Circle of Nostalgia; if I didnt have that, I would use Brush with Death/Low Tolerance.

If you cut out all the block nodes, you can easily fit a cluster jewel setup in, and it comes with bells and whistles you need. I honestly dont know how you guys do stuff like 4-5 orb maps or Simulacrum without stun immunity. I'd argue, some of the times people die, is probably because they got stunned, and could no longer life on hit to survive. So something like Unwaveringly Evil is a really nice QoL to have to keep you alive. And, it can even show up on a medium with Low Tolerance.

Of course the regular tree is strong and works; its been around longer than cluster jewels have. But, I dont think I would dismiss cluster jewels so flippantly, when they are so strong. I mean Low Tolerance alone turns Viper strike into a useable mapping skill.

And as far as something like intelligence goes, I dont think you ever really want to waste passive tree points on stat requirements if you dont have to. Your goal is to get gear that meets your statistical criteria; you only use passive points on that, before you get that gear. Your gear when min/maxing to gear out, is to get that 45 int neck so you can free up a passive point, so I dont really consider that a downside since no end-game passive trees are going to have points wasted solely to meet statistical requirements.

Just for a Numbers Perspective on my character:

Clusters: I have 5550 HP, 17% block, 17m Sirius DPS. With cluster jewels. That doesnt take into effect stun immunity, explosions, 600% low tolerance, or utility. I threw another Fettle in there, but with Fettle and Enduring Composure, its 5230 HP.

With Base tree, no clusters: 5280 hp, 40% block, 16.9m Sirius DPS. I also didnt use either 30 int nodes, and put those into something useful, because my character didnt need them off the base tree.

So, I feel cluster jewels are highly underrated. Same DPS, without taking into account stun immunities, life on kill, chaos resists, 600% more poison damage on clearing, even more life and/or DR if you go with endurance charges/fettle.

And the only thing you realistically give up, is 23 block chance. Does that 23 block chance make up for all of that?

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blastinMot wrote:

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delgar89 wrote:

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Cherry9 wrote:

This won't work if you're using Pestilent Strike, right? Because that would be amazing. I might give VG a try if that allows me to get rid of the totem but I'm primarily interested in PS. Also, do you think I can get it up and running well enough to red maps with about 2-3 ex? And farm some more currency from there.

Thanks!

Why woudn't it work with Pestilient Strike? It works with any spell or attack that hits. You can have up to 100% chance to wither if u get such lucky jewel with 4 ritual of shadows nodes. I explained it few pages ago.

Quoting a post from a few months ago:

Has anyone got a jewel number for a glorious vanity doryani jewelwith the suggested "Ritual of Shadows" nodes?
I have found 2 jewels that each give the 1 point notable as ritual of shadows (721 & 4002), but never a jewel that gives 2 ritual of shadows as shown in the picture. Check about 100 of them...

The user quoted also took off all the gear from his character, so you can't get it from there :(

If anyone is bored and wants a conclusion to this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ig6jVgflqUJqMv_kh92v1AU5i6nXRsLxAXLH31RYXIE/

The original doryani jewel number that user "delgar 89" used is doryani 431 (2x ritual of shadows for 4 passive points next to pain attunement). Found it somewhere in this thread.
But there was non up for purchase for some time, so I checked over 350 jewels myself.

Best other one I found is doryani 5518, that has 2x ritual of shadows with 5 passive points.

Other usable ones for starters (1 ritual of shadows with one passiv point) are: 721 2834 4002 4470 6766 6791

Just a few days after this, a doryani 431 popped up and I bought it for 50c. Will be getting rid of my wither totem soon :P

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Vennto wrote:

On the Intelligence Problems: I have found a really easy workaround - Fertile Mind is the answer. My build also differs a bit from everyone elses, have a look at it, maybe you find something interesting for yourself (or even have suggestions for improvements?) but the fertile mind really solves all intelligence Problems.

You could scrap the "revenge of the hunted" nodes and put in a 2 point fettle jewel in the socket near acrobatics.
You will lose some armor but could potentially gain some resists/attributes/whatever you roll on the fettle jewel.

Not sure on the whole fertile mind thing.
But that's not a quick fix, because you would need some more stuff moved around.

Also I would quickly remove the quicksilver and put in a coralitos.
You're moving faster with whirling blades anyway.

Hi.

I'm kind of a new player (that's probably half of the problem) and I'm trying this build (currently at lv 82). I like it but I'm having some problems.

1. Mana: I'm always running out of mana between attacks if I use all the buffs and the character moves/gets slower to execute a basic attack. It's only for a 1 second, maybe less, but it already killed me a few times. Anything I can do to prevent it?

2. Any skill that is easier/safer to use? Izaro is deleting me all the time.

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OdlanigeR wrote:

Hi.

I'm kind of a new player (that's probably half of the problem) and I'm trying this build (currently at lv 82). I like it but I'm having some problems.

1. Mana: I'm always running out of mana between attacks if I use all the buffs and the character moves/gets slower to execute a basic attack. It's only for a 1 second, maybe less, but it already killed me a few times. Anything I can do to prevent it?

2. Any skill that is easier/safer to use? Izaro is deleting me all the time.

1: Mana problems solve themselves in the lategame. When your damage is high enough the Mana leech from Soulraker is enough to keep you sustained. Until then you can maybe use a Gemini Claw for the flat Mana gained on hit. They're a little cheaper than the imperial claws with the same stats anyway, so in any case not a bad option.

The "non-channeling skills have -9 to total mana cost" enchant on one piece of jewelry also makes a huge difference. Do you have that? Can't check your character unfortunately, your profile seems to be private.
If you miss the craft message me ingame @xCori, I can craft it for you.

2: Probably Viper Strike is the best, just because it does the highest damage. Wait for Izaro to finish his first Attack/Combo, pop flasks and MS, then hit him a few times with VS before he attacks again, then just run away and let the poison do it's thing

Can someone explain to me what the "work arounds" in the POB are for? I feel like I can't achieve nearly the same stat lines in my personal POB because of them and I'm super confused.

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RedMaddyy wrote:

Can someone explain to me what the "work arounds" in the POB are for? I feel like I can't achieve nearly the same stat lines in my personal POB because of them and I'm super confused.

The standard PoB can't really calculate Multistrike and the "60% chance for poisons inflicted with this weapon to deal 100% more damage" Mods, so you have to modify some items to get a more accurate DPS number.

If you use the forked PoB (PoB Community) there is no need to do that, because it can calculate these things correctly from the start.