Why POE2 is dying

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CovidPatientZero#0332 wrote:

There is no logic in your line of reasoning that assumes GGG planned for an 80% drop in players. Buying multiple premium tabs to use for holding maps = more $$ than 1 map tab. It also ensures that the players who do sick around are paying for more tabs they otherwise would never have purchased.

Listen, that you or others burned points instead of asking one single time in global chat or a streamer or whatever:
"Hey, what's the best thing to spend my points on?"
is a YOU problem.
Everyone would've told you "Get a currency tab, wait for a map tab, and if you want a fragment tab too" besides a premium tab to list items for trade.

And if you can't/won't spend more than the 300 points given to you with the key, big brain move, inform yourself on what to spend these points and don't throw them out the window.

Furthermore, you actually don't need a map tab for a good experience in PoE2.
You blast through lower tier maps anyway, so a handful of maps is nothing you need to manage with a QoL tab and the moment you hit T15's and sustain them, it's not a big deal not having a map tab.
Sure, it's better because of the affinity ability, but not mandatory.

Just have a normal stash where you throw in your looted maps like this:


And have an organized tab where you put in your rolled prepared maps to run like this:


That ppl even think that GGG tried to pull off a scummy move with the waystone tab - is bonkers. What... for a few bucks pissing off the entire PoE1 community because they had the tab but it wasn't usable for months? Yeah... that's how you run a company, not.
One cool visual mtx would gain them more than such a stupid move.

It’s not dying

Wtf are you smoking? Have you looked at the Steam Charts recently? They are still regularly double PoE 1's numbers, not including base launcher numbers and other platforms. This game is still EVERYWHERE in the news, and all over Youtube and other social media. PoE 2 is the shit.

PoE 2 isn't dying in any way shape or form. That sounds like something a kid says when they are mad about something in a game that they love. That's why you're here complaining on the forum right? Because it's flooded with tens of thousands of people who love and are actively invested in the game. AND, the people who post here are only a TINY percentage of people who actively play.

Quite literally the opposite of what you are claiming is true. It has INSANE player retention for the state that it is in and having had no major content updates yet, and being in a very rough early access state. This game is going places, and the player count will SKYROCKET every time new content gets added, just like it does in new PoE 1 leagues. Players drop off slightly over time and then come back for new content/leagues. This is a good thing, and sought after behavior from GGG. They have a very loyal and invested playerbase.

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Clumpinator#4756 wrote:

Wtf are you smoking? Have you looked at the Steam Charts recently? They are still regularly double PoE 1's numbers, not including base launcher numbers and other platforms. This game is still EVERYWHERE in the news, and all over Youtube and other social media. PoE 2 is the shit.

PoE 2 isn't dying in any way shape or form. That sounds like something a kid says when they are mad about something in a game that they love. That's why you're here complaining on the forum right? Because it's flooded with tens of thousands of people who love and are actively invested in the game. AND, the people who post here are only a TINY percentage of people who actively play.

Quite literally the opposite of what you are claiming is true. It has INSANE player retention for the state that it is in and having had no major content updates yet, and being in a very rough early access state. This game is going places, and the player count will SKYROCKET every time new content gets added, just like it does in new PoE 1 leagues. Players drop off slightly over time and then come back for new content/leagues. This is a good thing, and sought after behavior from GGG. They have a very loyal and invested playerbase.

40k players right now down from half a mill a few months ago. Add in the fact that this game is insanely botted probably 10-15k actual players. Marval Rivals which came out around the same time is just shy of 300k players.

You cope addicts are wild. The game is crashing and burning at record pace and GGG either cant or wont fix it. Its actually impressive how hard this game is failing.

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inspecktadeck#3108 wrote:

40k players right now down from half a mill a few months ago. Add in the fact that this game is insanely botted probably 10-15k actual players. Marval Rivals which came out around the same time is just shy of 300k players.

You cope addicts are wild. The game is crashing and burning at record pace and GGG either cant or wont fix it. Its actually impressive how hard this game is failing.

Imagine making statements when fully clueless...

Nobody cares about the player count at the moment. The 24-hour peak was 73k.
Furthermore, comparing a game and genre (like "Rivals") that has not such fluctuations is weird. ARPGs, especially "Path of Exile", aren't games ppl play and play with no end to it.
People play it, do whatever they want in the "league," and then go on to play something else until a new league is released. That's completely normal and expected.

Most players "finish" the game in the first month. In the second month, another big chunk is done with the "league" until month 3, when only a few "core" gamers are left.
With a new "league/update" the ppl come back and it repeats - it's a circle.

You need proof? We have data about this from entire years and GGG talked about it in interviews.
Here you have the graphs:
https://poedb.tw/us/League#ConcurrentPlayers

Your nonsensical "fearmongering" is annoying af. At least base it on something besides "tRuSt Me BrO" and your feelings.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Nobody cares about the player count at the moment.

Yeah I agree. Its sad how fast the game died. Thats what happens when the devs are lazy and bad people. Sucks

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inspecktadeck#3108 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Nobody cares about the player count at the moment.

Yeah I agree. Its sad how fast the game died. Thats what happens when the devs are lazy and bad people. Sucks

Again. The game did not die. Your lies don't become truth and/or reality the more you repeat them. The facts literally prove you wrong.

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inspecktadeck#3108 wrote:

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Clumpinator#4756 wrote:

Wtf are you smoking? Have you looked at the Steam Charts recently? They are still regularly double PoE 1's numbers, not including base launcher numbers and other platforms. This game is still EVERYWHERE in the news, and all over Youtube and other social media. PoE 2 is the shit.

PoE 2 isn't dying in any way shape or form. That sounds like something a kid says when they are mad about something in a game that they love. That's why you're here complaining on the forum right? Because it's flooded with tens of thousands of people who love and are actively invested in the game. AND, the people who post here are only a TINY percentage of people who actively play.

Quite literally the opposite of what you are claiming is true. It has INSANE player retention for the state that it is in and having had no major content updates yet, and being in a very rough early access state. This game is going places, and the player count will SKYROCKET every time new content gets added, just like it does in new PoE 1 leagues. Players drop off slightly over time and then come back for new content/leagues. This is a good thing, and sought after behavior from GGG. They have a very loyal and invested playerbase.

40k players right now down from half a mill a few months ago. Add in the fact that this game is insanely botted probably 10-15k actual players. Marval Rivals which came out around the same time is just shy of 300k players.

You cope addicts are wild. The game is crashing and burning at record pace and GGG either cant or wont fix it. Its actually impressive how hard this game is failing.

What are you talking about? It still has 70-80k players on Steam alone for half the day. PoE 1 is also full of bots, as are most major online titles. GGG has never had FPS or MOBA numbers. This is far above average numbers for GGG for how long EA league has been going. Not to mention that the game has less than half of the content right now that it will upon official release. This game also currently has far superior numbers to PoE 1's regular league start numbers. To say the game is dying is the real cope. The game's player count will skyrocket next major update. It will decline slightly a month or two in as usual, and then skyrocket again with the update after that. This will continue for years to come. This is objective observable reality, and there are no statistics to prove otherwise. It's always been like this.

Time will prove me right, and you complainers know it, because you are invested enough to argue about it on a majorly active forum. A drop from half a mil was expected. The game was marketed extremely well, and most players are casual and will not be retained like dedicated players. It is the same for most games. PoE is a hardcore ARGP with a hardcore dedicated playerbase, just like PoE 1. Everyone knew the dropoff would happen. But the amount of remaining invested players is exponential for a game like this, where actual brain power is required to play.

PoE 2 introduced the genre in a refreshing and exciting debut for a lot of people unfamiliar with the genre, and you are realistically only going to retain a certain percentage of those new players. PoE 2 not only has the majority of the dedicated PoE 1 playerbase on its side, but it has an entirely new generation of players as well. If you've played PoE 1 since near launch like I have, you would be able to recognize the absolutely insane amount of retention GGG has right now. It's a major success. But you can't see, because you are just another NPC who thinks big number = good, and drop off = game dead.

That's not ever how gaming has worked. It's a braindead take from someone who is angry about a game they enjoy. If you thought this game was really dead, you wouldn't be arguing with everyone on this thread now would you? You know I'm right, but now you're too invested to admit that you don't know what you are talking about.

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Clumpinator#4756 wrote:

refreshing and exciting

No need to resort to outrageous lies friend. There is nothing refreshing about a by the numbers asset flip of a 10+ year old game in poe1.

Please be honest when using the forums.

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inspecktadeck#3108 wrote:

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Clumpinator#4756 wrote:

refreshing and exciting

No need to resort to outrageous lies friend. There is nothing refreshing about a by the numbers asset flip of a 10+ year old game in poe1.

Please be honest when using the forums.

Nothing I said is a lie. Prove to me where I'm wrong. Also, there is no asset flip. That is an actual lie you just made. What assets have been reused?

I'm a 3D modeler and digital designer bro. The vast majority of the assets from PoE 1 are nowhere to be seen in PoE 2. And the seldom few that have been ported over have either been re-meshed with new topology, UVs and texture mapping, or integrated to function with GGG's new engine lighting system. Everything about this game is either new or a solid work in progress of an improvement upon the original game.