Why dedicate my time if I can lose all my XP with a death penalty?

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Amel9#6721 wrote:

cause ViSIon!. Seriously this game have so much outdated mechanics its blowing my mind. Good thing is when i launch grim dawn after this BS, im in heaven

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Manator#1915 wrote:

I've never understood people who like to play hardcore or who like death penalty. But that's their business, I don't care. In the same way, they shouldn't care that I like to relax in peace after a hard day's work by playing a video game.
Competition? What a joke. 99% of the time you play alone. Watch less twitch because streamers get money for it. It doesn't really matter to me which one comes first, because I only care about how I spend my personal time. I have enough hardcore in real life, why should I feel punished and stressed about some virtual world that I come to have a good time.

Do you need a challenge? Play hardcore, the game is already brutal enough. In Diablo 2, I was only able to reach max level once. Does it matter to me now? Not much. I only remember how many sleepless nights were spent and how tiring and monotonous the process was. Nothing pleasant. In PoE I played until maybe level 98, then quit, for the same reason. Otherwise, I might have played for years and spent a lot of money, because PoE is one of those few games where you really want to support the developers for their amazing work. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks like that, I think a good number of players think like that, maybe even the majority. At the end of the day, ask yourself who will support you if you mercilessly punish your players for every little mistake in this already merciless game.

When I saw the opportunity, I bought PoE2 without a second thought, hoping to find a different, much more enjoyable approach to the gameplay. And what did I found here? Even more brutal mechanics, even more punishments for the player, even less room for error.

It's not dark souls and it's not a roguelike and I'm not living in the 1980s. I recently showed a friend PoE and he and his son were very interested, but I can see them playing without understanding 90% of the game because the game mechanics are already complicated enough for a new player. Most of them would not even be able to make their own build without the help of the internet. Ask yourself how many of these players will remain when they face the true reality of the game.

Keep punishing until you punish yourself. I hope to be heard, and I hope I'm not alone. If not, good luck to you, there are much nicer things in life to spend my money on.

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Mera#2184 wrote:

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Manator#1915 wrote:

I've never understood people who like to play hardcore or who like death penalty. But that's their business, I don't care. In the same way, they shouldn't care that I like to relax in peace after a hard day's work by playing a video game.
Competition? What a joke. 99% of the time you play alone. Watch less twitch because streamers get money for it. It doesn't really matter to me which one comes first, because I only care about how I spend my personal time. I have enough hardcore in real life, why should I feel punished and stressed about some virtual world that I come to have a good time.

Do you need a challenge? Play hardcore, the game is already brutal enough. In Diablo 2, I was only able to reach max level once. Does it matter to me now? Not much. I only remember how many sleepless nights were spent and how tiring and monotonous the process was. Nothing pleasant. In PoE I played until maybe level 98, then quit, for the same reason. Otherwise, I might have played for years and spent a lot of money, because PoE is one of those few games where you really want to support the developers for their amazing work. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks like that, I think a good number of players think like that, maybe even the majority. At the end of the day, ask yourself who will support you if you mercilessly punish your players for every little mistake in this already merciless game.

When I saw the opportunity, I bought PoE2 without a second thought, hoping to find a different, much more enjoyable approach to the gameplay. And what did I found here? Even more brutal mechanics, even more punishments for the player, even less room for error.

It's not dark souls and it's not a roguelike and I'm not living in the 1980s. I recently showed a friend PoE and he and his son were very interested, but I can see them playing without understanding 90% of the game because the game mechanics are already complicated enough for a new player. Most of them would not even be able to make their own build without the help of the internet. Ask yourself how many of these players will remain when they face the true reality of the game.

Keep punishing until you punish yourself. I hope to be heard, and I hope I'm not alone. If not, good luck to you, there are much nicer things in life to spend my money on.

Yes! Agree!
I don't mind difficulty, at all, I would not have 100% all FromSoftware games since 2010 otherwise. But the feeling of having made 0 progress during your time of play (or even having gone backwards...) is just SO frustrating! Like I just want to quit the game every. single. time. When I would just play more otherwise. Makes absolutely no sense from a developer perspective to incite those types of feelings in your players.

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drkekyll#1294 wrote:

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Amel9#6721 wrote:

cause ViSIon!. Seriously this game have so much outdated mechanics its blowing my mind. Good thing is when i launch grim dawn after this BS, im in heaven

Still waiting for someone to support this assertion that old = bad...

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

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drkekyll#1294 wrote:

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Amel9#6721 wrote:

cause ViSIon!. Seriously this game have so much outdated mechanics its blowing my mind. Good thing is when i launch grim dawn after this BS, im in heaven

Still waiting for someone to support this assertion that old = bad...

Old is not necessarily bad. It's just evolution. If we stick to old because new is never good then we would just play some pong-like.

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

We can also see a huge fatigue in video games industry because of reused old formula in general.

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Vinsdvalh#0247 wrote:

Old is not necessarily bad. It's just evolution. If we stick to old because new is never good then we would just play some pong-like.

We can also see a huge fatigue in video games industry because of reused old formula in general.

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drkekyll#1294 wrote:

But I'm not sure anyone has suggested new is never good. I just see a lot of old is bad asserted as a reason the experience penalty "needs to go" and I, for one, would appreciate a better argument.

Are we sure that's why though? It seems to me there are plenty of successful games that reuse old formulas. I think this just seems like an easy thing to point to.