SSF / HCSSF feels dogshit to play

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himenoinu#2580 wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

You dont have to have all the gear and finish the game in a day or a week. Its ok to take a week to go from 70-75 because you cant push maps any higher. Assuming youre talking about ssf. There is no economy you're racing and there is nothing you are pushing because pushing in hc means death unless you are highly skilled and always attentive.

Each time I rushed, I died. Cus overconfidence is a more insidious threat than volatile plants. But I do tend to farm areas until I'm ~5 levels above them before moving on. Or until I get annoyed and rush to my foretold death.

The whole conversation here is that farming anything feels like just another layer of self-punishment due to the game being exclusively focused on gambling and trade until high tier maps, where MF becomes fun, but that is so late in the game that it may not exist at all for some of us.

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Fae_Lyth#6750 wrote:

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himenoinu#2580 wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

You dont have to have all the gear and finish the game in a day or a week. Its ok to take a week to go from 70-75 because you cant push maps any higher. Assuming youre talking about ssf. There is no economy you're racing and there is nothing you are pushing because pushing in hc means death unless you are highly skilled and always attentive.

Each time I rushed, I died. Cus overconfidence is a more insidious threat than volatile plants. But I do tend to farm areas until I'm ~5 levels above them before moving on. Or until I get annoyed and rush to my foretold death.

The whole conversation here is that farming anything feels like just another layer of self-punishment due to the game being exclusively focused on gambling and trade until high tier maps, where MF becomes fun, but that is so late in the game that it may not exist at all for some of us.

MF is mandatory even during campaign if you want any Regal or Exalt Orbs to craft anything.

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

Its really not that bad. you probably get on average 20 exalts and regals from the campaign. You just have to choose wisely when you let your gear stay trash and what items need updated next. If you try to upgrade your gear every act you will not have any currency.

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

Its really not that bad. you probably get on average 20 exalts and regals from the campaign. You just have to choose wisely when you let your gear stay trash and what items need updated next. If you try to upgrade your gear every act you will not have any currency.

One thing (amongst at least a handful of things like crafting bench and adjustable runes) i wish we could get back is vendor recipes for movement speed boots and weapons.

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himenoinu#2580 wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich#2087 wrote:

Its really not that bad. you probably get on average 20 exalts and regals from the campaign. You just have to choose wisely when you let your gear stay trash and what items need updated next. If you try to upgrade your gear every act you will not have any currency.

One thing (amongst at least a handful of things like crafting bench and adjustable runes) i wish we could get back is vendor recipes for movement speed boots and weapons.

It's not unsurmountable, for sure. But it is bad in my opinion. I don't want to rush through with easily purchased gear. Even on trade HC characters I only use my own dropped items and/or co-op with my lady. But! That would mean, I can get a few kicks out of dropping stuff through my playthrough.

Please note, I've said "dropping stuff". Not "dropping good stuff". In those 7 hours of play through act 1 Cruel, I've gathered maybe 3 regals from dropped rare items and maybe 2 or 3 more from unique bosses. Which ain't great. Nor terrible, as you've said.

Until... well, the whole affix malarkey comes barging in and rolling light radiuses and thorns and 12 hp and 7% resists (and the last 2 if you're lucky). So my gripe is with the experience as a whole.

E.g. I dropped a ilvl 31 pair of gloves with 1 character that had better. Picked them up with this unfortunate grinder at lvl 20 (as that was the lvl req for them) and wore them from Mawdun Mines all the way to Cruel Keth where my stupidity got the better of me (facetanking a lightning enhanced beetle boss, knowing full well that my resistances were below 20%, thanks to the drop rates and "crafting" this game has).

So, you're right. It's not that bad, it's just really unfun. A lot more so when in the back of your mind you know the exalts you've wasted on failed "crafting" attempts would've been more than enough to get you solid gear to push you all the way into the maps. It's unfun when something we kept asking for in PoE1 is completely missing here, being replaced with an even worse "crafting" methods array (looking at you, essences!) and an even harder focus on gearing up through trade.

Which, ultimately, does tend to render SSF completely worthless for a good amount of people. It's not just the satisfaction of "Hey! I beat Doryiani with gear I picked up from Geonor's corpse" joy that we, as a subgroup of the PoE playerbase, are looking for. Some want that delicious slow and steady gear progression along with their character's adventure through the game world. Not leaps. But some progression. And some of us do invest in that, be that with currency crafting (more than we should), with MF, with incessant farming of areas. Just to get that next new, better item than what we have. And that takes waaaay too damn long during the campaign.

If they'd do away with low tier affixes (T1 and T2 of those having 8 or more tiers) on Cruel - or rather weigh the chance of them rolling on high req gear that isn't obtained in T15+ maps? - if MF would be balanced around the amount of MF you can reasonably stack on your gear at any given moment, if "rewarding map bosses" would drop rares more often and scrolls of wisdom less often (Tor-Gal or Tor-Gul or whatever just dropped 3 blue items and an Aug for me), I'd be a lot more happy.

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Slomo4shO#0350 wrote:

I found a total of 3 regal, 3 ex, 0 alc, 0 chaos in my 2 a1 clears (witch and warrior) on HCSSF.

virtually all gear found is worthless t1 rolls. I couldn't even manage to get a full set of rare gear for the build.

Drop rates are horrid. There are no viable farming options.

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himenoinu#2580 wrote:

T1 rolls in A1 is what you'd expect, though. Less so in A1 Cruel, but you're gonna roll them there just as often :) Alc and chaos aren't things I'm even considering when it comes to currency that can drop in A1.