22 recombinators.

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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bewilder2#0356 wrote:

Who is this people you are referring to ? I, for one, don't aim to craft mirror-tier items with recomb, I just want an upgrade for my item. Its not always the same mods with higher tiers, it could be a lower tier but with mods that the build that I play actually use. My friends and gmates also just want an actual upgrade with their progression, not mirror-tier worthy items. You are exaggerating and being intellectually dishonest with it.

Well, you may want "an upgrade", but this is not how recombination works.

I will simplify it a bit, so you can get it:

Recombining 20 level gear with low mods, and recombining 75 gear with top mods, costs approximately the same.

It makes absolutely no sense to invest the time to recombine non-perfect rolls, because the gear itself can be bought for next to nothing.

And to make matter worse - the chances for top tier rolls, compared to the mid-tiers are not proportional to the prices of those items.

It would be much better to simply buy your mid-tier upgrade. And sell your currency, than waste it on such effort.

And you think that is a good system ? To only let a certain group of players, that is top 1% or even top 0,1% , be benefitted with the system ? And to make players do numbers calculation based on economic value, instead of actually interacting with the system and having meaningful impact / reward from it ?

For sure mirror-tier worthy items should be not easily crafted, but its also should not be the standard. Improving the odds on recombinator also should not be free, but increasing the odds can have positive impact on the market. Just add more artifact + exalts + divine to increase the odds, for example, but limited to certain amount of mods and/or tier level. Not only it will benefits the generic players, it could also serve as currency sink.

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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Urza_Mechwalker#7393 wrote:

Except this is FALSE> I have done with with both my characters in this league aalways that I could. Not a SINGLE TIME. not a single time I exchanged the weapon I had for a weapon I crafted. Gambling for blind items and buying ready from vendor were ALWAYS the source of my upgrades. Crafting NEVER EVER in POE2 gave me a better item than I had except on the first 5-6 levels when any regal on a random magic item is a true upgrade.

Brother.

Open the damn trade site.
Select any sort of weapon - bow, crossbow, staff, mace - whatever.
Sort it by DPS and see how much the top 100 weapons cost.

You want to max your build and waste those hundreds of divines - go ahead.

I do not give a damn what you do with your divines, did you bought them with real currency or whatever.

But for me, being able to get one of those, for my build, without having to pray to satan for a mirror drop?

That is a step in the right direction.

Do you know what SSF means?

How about you understand that the game had a mode wher eyou CANNOT TRADE? And where you are supposed to use a CRAP craft system?

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

Brother.

Open the damn trade site.
Select any sort of weapon - bow, crossbow, staff, mace - whatever.
Sort it by DPS and see how much the top 100 weapons cost.

You want to max your build and waste those hundreds of divines - go ahead.

I do not give a damn what you do with your divines, did you bought them with real currency or whatever.

But for me, being able to get one of those, for my build, without having to pray to satan for a mirror drop?

That is a step in the right direction.

Question.

You said you crafted a "mirror tier xbow" or something, right!? Do you know the DPS? Or even better, share a pic?

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bewilder2#0356 wrote:

Who kind of people and what kind of items that both of you and skelly referring to ?

20 chaos res.
20 rariry.
+40 to any sum of elemental damage.

Currently, at this very moment, The cheapest 5 rings are listed for:
2,4,6,8,9 divines.

20 chaos res.
20 rarity.
+50 to any sum of elemental damage.

Are listed to:
15, 40, 42, 60, 77, 110 divs.

So yes, depends how much you want to upgrade, such ring may be worth quite a lot.

Upgrading what you have is very expensive.
Unless you want to give up on one of the mods...

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

You said you crafted a "mirror tier xbow" or something, right!? Do you know the DPS? Or even better, share a pic?

Between 1100 and 1200.

I also have +7, tri-socket, 137 elemental damage, with stats rolls.
There isn't second on the market to even compare.

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Varn76#2904 wrote:

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When the discussion degrades to the point of "Why should we care about item drops being meaningful anyway" then that is how you know you have simply lost the plot.

Explain then. I'm actually seriously tired of ppl swatting that argument like it's something obvious. Useless drops have been part of every single ARPG since D2 as I said above. Why suddenly did it became a problem to be solved whatever the cost ? Especially if the cost is crappy crafting ?

It's extremely simple to understand just by way of observation. There are many drop-centric ARPGs with no crafting systems that people love. There are almost no craft-centric ARPGs that people care about, unless they also have drops.

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Varn76#2904 wrote:

Saying that POE1 crafting system is basically "item editor" is such a overstatement it's bordeline disrespectful. Do you know what portion of the playerbase in POE1 actually beaten an uber pinnacle ?

Memorizing a series of steps from a YouTube video is more tedium than most people are willing to put up with in order to enjoy a video game. The PoE 1 crafting system is absolutely an item editor, just because it has a burden of knowledge doesn't make it otherwise.

And there I though this guy knows what hes's talking about. This ring is 5ex maximum. And even then you will have to wait for a while.

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

You said you crafted a "mirror tier xbow" or something, right!? Do you know the DPS? Or even better, share a pic?

Between 1100 and 1200.

That's really high...

How did you farm the currency to buy the items to recomb and the omens and stuff?

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 wrote:

Cool.
Do it without trade.

For the armors - it works ok.
I have (mostly) created my gear from scratch.

For my current weapon?

The weight of just two of the mods is 0.0075 and 0.01.
It will take me over a year to gather the correct bases for this.

I think that I wont be overstepping the line, when I say that it will be nearly impossible.

But then again - SSF is not suitable for every build, and its very limitations is the reason many people pursuit this kind of masochistic gameplay...

Its "The Game" without buying to win.

I think what you are avoiding saying.
Base game sucks without using the item editor ... known as the market.
Insert your coin and the item drops out.

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Skellymancer#5263 wrote:

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bewilder2#0356 wrote:

Who kind of people and what kind of items that both of you and skelly referring to ?

20 chaos res.
20 rariry.
+40 to any sum of elemental damage.

Currently, at this very moment, The cheapest 5 rings are listed for:
2,4,6,8,9 divines.

20 chaos res.
20 rarity.
+50 to any sum of elemental damage.

Are listed to:
15, 40, 42, 60, 77, 110 divs.

So yes, depends how much you want to upgrade, such ring may be worth quite a lot.

Upgrading what you have is very expensive.
Unless you want to give up on one of the mods...

Yes, I don't mind to sacrifice one of the mod, just to have better suffix. I can live with removing the rarity and lightning res, or lower tier level. I can live with one tier lower flat damage. Its not a super expensive GG item, but not bad either. I don't want no effort method to upgrade this ring, I will do the effort and sadly, the only effort that I will do and enjoy is buying from other.

I've tried countless rings, I had one stash full of rings for recomb, from the lowest of T6 and highest is T8 of flat damage. I had 6 rings that successful from recomb, two T7 flat. And the next thing is slam gamba, none of them have the same or better prefix / suffix that I currently have. They went to recomb, and poof.

I have no problem with efforts or cost, but recomb right now is just not worth it for me. I rather save up be it 10 divs, 15divs, 20 divs, just to have a better ring than to interacting with this kind of system.

Its better to not design the game around trading, its better to make players to want to interact and use the systems, rather than thinking in comparison of economic value, ended up tailoring everything around trade, and just be a clone of PoE 1.