2.3.0 Changes to the High-level Experience Equation

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Dark_Chicken wrote:
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Aim_Deep wrote:
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Chris wrote:


In the future, we'll release content that has a higher monster level than level 84. This would make the race to 100 even faster.


Not if done right. Rifts please. No exp. Limited loot only from boss at end of rift. Your atziri boss was fantastic and kept me entertained for almost year. need more like her to challege end game builds and as another method of competition.

Screw mind numbing drive to 100. Never interested me. Challenges/achievements neither.


But challenging a build on scary as hell bosses do. Which test build quality, reaction time, play-style instead of how much time you have to waste.


I think it could encourage more party play as well. As difficulty is unlimited, you would have to have a well thought out support crew to get far.



Finally Chris, I'm sure others have said it. You are going about this wrong way if you wish to make 100 harder.

9's should not give any EXP to a 95

15's 3-4%.

Not 1% and 1%

There is no point to running hard maps. Risk vs reward is not there.


Build quality lol... just pick any new or old obvious OP build that hasn't had the nerf hammer because of incompetent and clueless GGG balance, and face roll everything yea that's a big time challenge. Like CoC discharge which is basically untouchable from nerfs, and pretty much any range skill which you can run with your eyes closed. Or now the near perm Jugg IC which as soon as the change was announced, half the dam forum was crying OP before it's even tested. Um sorry to burst your bubble, there's no real rocket science in 'build quality'.

You can really 'challenge' (more like gimp) yourself by doing all the hardest content without dying, using the most crappy ass, unbalanced builds so basically, like 80% of stand still target, hack-n-slash pure melee skills.


I'm first to call OP and maybe build quality was wrong word. I mean min maxing capability. But yeah those OP builds would be a lot easy to spot if 90% of dischargers were in 60 rifts and little else wouldn't they? Instead of subjective or I dont play it but looks OP type criticism... Another reason to have unlimited rifts. Would put the shine on imbalances quickly and objectively.
Git R Dun!
Last edited by Aim_Deep#3474 on Jun 29, 2016, 8:15:10 AM
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UnleashedPoE wrote:
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Aim_Deep wrote:

Finally Chris, I'm sure others have said it. You are going about this wrong way if you wish to make 100 harder.

9's should not give any EXP to a 95

15's 3-4%.

Not 1% and 1%

There is no point to running hard maps. Risk vs reward is not there.


They do this and I'm out without other changes. You have to be able to sustain a map pool at tiers capable of leveling to 100 within a normal person's lifetime.

Awesome builds btw, your juggernaut build may be my favorite of the game, all time.


I'm waiting to see what they do with end game before embarking on next journey. They've been good to us so far so I have hope.

Anyway they are all GGGs builds we just play em but thanks anyway.
Git R Dun!
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Baelrog wrote:
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Darkkrows wrote:
Then you guys should implement Exp fatigue system. The faster the exp a player gain, the more exp penalty he will receive.(and you balance this system around the top players) They still can race within the fatigue system, exp bar still move just slower.

quite a number of MMO implement this trick to stop the no-lifer from leveling 1 character too quick & this system does not punish the more casual players who do not have 14-16hours a day to play the game but still wanted to go max level & have some progression.

+1 This is the best feedback/suggestion regarding the changes.


Good suggestion IMO.
IGN JimansNotSummoner
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Aim_Deep wrote:

There is no point to running hard maps. Risk vs reward is not there.


This. Speedrunning Gorge/plateau gets even more overused. Red maps cannot be sustained, they possess a risk, and are not even close to as rewarding as speedrunning gorge.
Now that Red tier maps are even less rewarding compared to T9 maps, what is the endgame? Shouldn't it be about building a character that can fight succesfully through the hardest content, and be rewarded for doing so?

There could be a level threshold so significant that running gorge at level 95+ would be nowhere near as effective as running T12 and above. This would require the possibility to sustain Red maps. Since they are not any more rewarding in terms of loot/time/cost of the map tier that cannot be sustained, why not just make them drop more often and give players a reason to play the true endgame?

There are alot of good ideas on this thread, but this update is not a healthy way to construct the game further.
Ground Slam, now and forever.
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Dark_Chicken wrote:

Congrats on steadily pissing off your player base, but this sorry excuse of a development post or whatever BS you want to call it, is the last straw.. will NEVER get a penny of support from me again.


Says the guy with zero support packs.

Also quite a few users here with 35-40 challenges completed speaking as if they are the majority or acting like casual players when in fact they are like 0,01% of player population. In other words the minority.
Last edited by kompaniet#2874 on Jun 29, 2016, 3:37:24 PM
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kompaniet wrote:
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Dark_Chicken wrote:

Congrats on steadily pissing off your player base, but this sorry excuse of a development post or whatever BS you want to call it, is the last straw.. will NEVER get a penny of support from me again.


Says the guy with zero support packs.

Also quite a few users here with 35-40 challenges completed speaking as if they are the majority or acting like casual players when in fact they are like 0,01% of player population. In other words the minority.


not having supporter packs doesnt mean you dont donate and EVEN if it did your argument is just shallow,out of topic

i myself donated around 200 dollars so far but i dont want to buy the products which come with supporter pacs that i dont want so i dont buy supporter packs
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Pepsack wrote:
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Then you guys should implement Exp fatigue system. The faster the exp a player gain, the more exp penalty he will receive.(and you balance this system around the top players) They still can race within the fatigue system, exp bar still move just slower.

quite a number of MMO implement this trick to stop the no-lifer from leveling 1 character too quick & this system does not punish the more casual players who do not have 14-16hours a day to play the game but still wanted to go max level & have some progression.


Also what this guy said. VERY MUCH THIS


I have seen this be effective in many games +1 +1 +1
Life will be technically better Soon TM
This is literally the dumbest possible implementation of this mechanic. You are literally encouraging people to play lower-level maps. I thought the point was to encourage more t15 play, not to simply slow exp to a painful grind for everyone. You do realize that everyone racing to 100 last league was chaining gorge because it was optimal, right? Guess what: now it's even MORE optimal.

Fuck this. Seriously. Optimal leveling is officially slower than pre-2.0. When the mlvl 78 palace was the highest-level content most people actually did grinding on. The fact that the best players can't get to 100 by blazing through Core maps as fast as they could get to 100 by blazing through courtyard maps in 1.3 is ludicrous.

Take a fucking hint from D2. They never penalized mlvl, they penalized exp at higher _player_ levels, explicitly.
Last edited by codetaku#0468 on Jun 29, 2016, 8:49:07 PM
in the meantime, i'm become rich selling gorge/plateau/springs due to no life people :P

seriously, the worst idea that you had ggg
Don't even feel like playing anymore. I just died to a bullshit disconnect and lost about 4 hours worth of grinding. Ugh.

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