EXALTED ORB Price Shenanigans [Delirium] 127:1 What is even going on?

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Kurgosh wrote:

I'd suspect that even if we see another ban wave, chaos will remain cheap in Delve. For non-bot players, the chaos recipe is governed by jewelry and the mine gives an easy and predictable source of jewelry.

As I said in my previous post, botters use multiple bot accounts. Real people don't do chaos recipe so much. So if 10 bots can do 7200c dayly. 10 real ppl will not do this number, because: 1)They are not machines, and do things slower; 2) Number of bots doing CR is higher than number of same ppl that do it all the day full league(are they even exist?); 2)They can't do chaos recipe 24/7(who is crazy enough to do CR even for 10h?)
So all this jewellery drops will not result in much chaos production. Most of people just skip all this jewellery as do I, because doing CR is too frustrating, especially if u have no special loot filter and dont know how to use stash tabs efficiently(most of ppl have no clue about it). So all this player's chaos turns will result in 10-20 times less chaos production compared to bots(remember that one botting person run multiple accounts). Majority of players just run maps or delve fast and don't even want to do chaos recipe.
So no, this player opportunity to turn this jewellery will not make chaos very cheap. Or do U realy believe that some people doing cr for another 20-30 chaos moved ex to 1:108c?

My impression is that with delve currency drops more often and currency is much more easy to access due to currency nodes and currency chests in darkness.
However, this can also be abused by botters.

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Alfatin wrote:

Is is clear now, where all this chaos inflation come from?

I guess my doubts would be on the efficiency of chaos recipe vs pure drops of chaos/ex (bottle neck is ring/amulets). also like I said, I see huge number of bots in a3 who are presumably farming ex div cards. I don't think it's as simple as just bots dictating the ratio because they farm chaos at a much higher chaos/ex ratio than regular players.

U see bots in act3 because it is the only place where u can see them(shared storyline city). U can't see how much bots doing maps, so don't think that most of the bots farming ex cards in a3 or a8. I don't think that such rare drops can beat farming maps with CR. Because this bot will get 30c/h from CR(example from my post) and 30-40c in other currency and item drops. How often these act3/8 cards should drop to beat 70c/h? Probably some botters do this farm but most of them(as I checked several profiles) doing maps, according to items they sell.

And yes, bots farm chaos at higher ratio than regular players - see previous post. When u doing CR by hands u will lose a lot of time trying to find correct pieces and stashing them/empting bag. Bots just don't lose this time cos picking/sorting items fast and auto, thats why doing CR for them is more efficient than for regular players, who can beat CR buy speeding-up map chaining.
How do I know this? I googled several bot sites, chosed most popular and guees what I see on first forum page? "Chaos/ex recipe plugin". Any doubts about botting CR?

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Synopse wrote:

My impression is that with delve currency drops more often and currency is much more easy to access due to currency nodes and currency chests in darkness.
However, this can also be abused by botters.

These currency nodes drops only chaos but can't drop ex? If it can, it changes nothing. On the other hand we got great Zana mods to spend chaos today, as U can remember, we had no good Zana mods in Incursion.

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Alfatin wrote:

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Synopse wrote:

My impression is that with delve currency drops more often and currency is much more easy to access due to currency nodes and currency chests in darkness.
However, this can also be abused by botters.

These currency nodes drops only chaos but can't drop ex? If it can, it changes nothing. On the other hand we got great Zana mods to spend chaos today, as U can remember, we had no good Zana mods in Incursion.

Sure. I just provided my humble observation. I can even give a number: I don't trade, I do chaos recipies and I have found exalted orbs and chaos orbs at a ratio of about 1:125 so far. This don't have to mean anything, since this number can be different for everyone else. For me the change of ration makes sense. Bots maybe have increased the effect, but this is all up to speculation. We have too little information to even identify potential reasons.

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Synopse wrote:

My impression is that with delve currency drops more often and Sure. I just provided my humble observation. I can even give a number: I don't trade, I do chaos recipies and I have found exalted orbs and chaos orbs at a ratio of about 1:125 so far. This don't have to mean anything, since this number can be different for everyone else. For me the change of ration makes sense. Bots maybe have increased the effect, but this is all up to speculation. We have too little information to even identify potential reasons.

As for me, I got about 240c pure drops and 5ex for last 5 days(my drop stash). So it is close to 1:50 for me. But I think this statistics is not enough to calculate current rates because of rng.
The price Impact of botters was shown on Incursion league. 1:180c before ban wave, 1:70c a week later. So yes, U are right - bots increasing inflation effect, but much more, than most of ppl used to think.

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There is no any reason to use bots or even worry about ex price now. At current state of the league most of the players already geared up characters, so now they can yust play. Delving, mapping, whatever they want to do. Besides, exalts prices will drop soon, as bots are used by RMT traders and who will buy exalts for real money now? 115 max, then it will drop to 9x.

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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There is no any reason to use bots or even worry about ex price now. At current state of the league most of the players already geared up characters, so now they can yust play. Delving, mapping, whatever they want to do. Besides, exalts prices will drop soon, as bots are used by RMT traders and who will buy exalts for real money now? 115 max, then it will drop to 9x.

Strange logic you have. It's all good, what ever. Everyone only plays one character and let bots be bots.

I mean wut?

Bots?... I ain't got no bots!... I don't need to use no stinkin' bots!

ya'll remember when it hit 1:180 in incursion, then we the ban wave hit it dropped way down to ~90.

Not sure if it's botting or other stuff (I'm sure botting doesn't help) but ex value got way out of control last league because of botting, things don't seem that bad currently

Maybe softcore prices feels not so terrible - 1:110 is less than 1:180 on Incursion. But hardcore mode just pwned by bots completely. It's ratio was 1:60c on Incursion, when SC was 1:180, now we got 1:77c(what?=O). All other leagues normal hardcore ratio was always below 1:35c in first month.

Also U see this SC ratio only because people spent a lot of chaos on new Zana mods. If only we got mods like Incursion's ones, ex ratio would easily break 190c. On the other side, If there were less bots U could have 1:60c on SC and all item prices much cheaper, so gearing could me much faster.