trade bot allowed?

I remember in the third league or so in this game's life I was talking about how the trade was awful and an AH--or AH-like system was needed--and people cried and complained, argued and fanboyed, and eventually we got poe.trade (AH-like), but the system is still bad. People still seem to oppose the AH for some reason, but now readily admit that it's so bad it wouldn't be viable without the bots they claim would ruin an AH.

LMFAO

Oh, boy. This game is so done. It has cancer and will die a slow, but sure death.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

I remember in the third league or so in this game's life I was talking about how the trade was awful and an AH--or AH-like system was needed--and people cried and complained, argued and fanboyed, and eventually we got poe.trade (AH-like), but the system is still bad. People still seem to oppose the AH for some reason, but now readily admit that it's so bad it wouldn't be viable without the bots they claim would ruin an AH.

LMFAO

Oh, boy. This game is so done. It has cancer and will die a slow, but sure death.

if the game is in a state where it's impossible for you to have any fun without being able to trade items, it's really in a bad state for you.

the game runs for 8 years now and, so far, easier trading just made a minority richer. what leads you to the conclusion you would profit from more trade automatisation?

will you profit from a certain t10 map being 2c one day and 40c the next day cause some guys bought them all off?

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Yep... any unique ring for 1c will be snatched up. They even nerfed the armor's key feature and people still want them. Post a ring for 1c and you'll get messaged pretty much instantly. It's not botting though. It's just a notification from the trade site.

Bots are typically being used to trade currency. No one wants to waste their time with that.

The ring sold is used on builds and fetches a higher price. They sell fast with good rolls.

no one is buying 1c rings anymore, I have 8-10 common ones in my 1c dump tab.

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vio wrote:

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Albinosaurus wrote:

I remember in the third league or so in this game's life I was talking about how the trade was awful and an AH--or AH-like system was needed--and people cried and complained, argued and fanboyed, and eventually we got poe.trade (AH-like), but the system is still bad. People still seem to oppose the AH for some reason, but now readily admit that it's so bad it wouldn't be viable without the bots they claim would ruin an AH.

LMFAO

Oh, boy. This game is so done. It has cancer and will die a slow, but sure death.

if the game is in a state where it's impossible for you to have any fun without being able to trade items, it's really in a bad state for you.

the game runs for 8 years now and, so far, easier trading just made a minority richer. what leads you to the conclusion you would profit from more trade automatisation?

will you profit from a certain t10 map being 2c one day and 40c the next day cause some guys bought them all off?

To use your example, yes, I would, because I could immediately sell another of that map for 20c. Even if that same guy buys it up to flip it, I still got 18c over the original price.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

To use your example, yes, I would, because I could immediately sell another of that map for 20c. Even if that same guy buys it up to flip it, I still got 18c over the original price.

the trick is to pull that off until you got a profit out of reselling maps more expensive.

that would be some hours max, then if the market reacts by guys (you) increasing the supply to profit, they're up to the next item.

and because the majority (like me) couldn't profit from these manipulations, it's a rather bad thing that will piss people off and lead to the next complaints of ggg having to sell maps by a vendor for a fixed price or something ... as if the same people didn't cause this mess by requesting a faster trade.

I see multiple conflations in that line of reasoning, and I honestly don't have the inclination to parse them out for you, but I think I would just point to Fallacy of Composition and Comparing Incomparables as a starting point.

What it comes down to, if we disagree on this point, is that I have seen AH in many games over many years and don't find them to be a negative in any way compared to the dogshit trade system we have now. There are pros and cons to an AH, sure, but there are almost no pros to the current system.

Also, I honestly never really paid much attention to people who complain about prices. I care more about things like, "Is trading either fun or expedient?" (which it is neither right now) and, "Are there systems in place that prevent the market from behaving naturally?" (which the cumbersome nature of trade is currently doing). GGG's notion of a "free market" is entirely undermined by their own deliberate attempts to make it harder than necessary. I suspect it's just an excuse for their unfounded fears and personal biases, anyway, based on the countless (and sometimes inconsistent) excuses I've heard from/about them over the years.

the only adantage of a system like we have on consoles is that it allows ggg to buy off items anonymously to simulate demand the game lacks so much and to keep up prices.

to compare systems you just have to put yourself into the position of someone with unlimited ingame currency wanting to manipulate the market.

what system allows you the easiest manipulation is the worst solution. it's as easy as that

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vio wrote:

the only adantage of a system like we have on consoles is that it allows ggg to buy off items anonymously to simulate demand the game lacks so much and to keep up prices.

to compare systems you just have to put yourself into the position of someone with unlimited ingame currency wanting to manipulate the market.

what system allows you the easiest manipulation is the worst solution. it's as easy as that

I don't think that's so easy, actually. In the case of automation (such as an AH) you would need automation to keep up with it, because the pace of the economy is so fast. When you intentionally muck up trading, you make it easier for that minority to make bigger gains in less time. There are other considerations too, ofc, but it's not so black and white to me, except to say that if you include an AH, you can--and should--ban player side automation from 3rd party programs, macros, bots, etc if you're worried about such market manipulations. On the other hand, I've played games where those manipulations were allowed to happen and it didn't hinder my experience of the game at all, so I think those fears are unfounded.

ggg doesn't want to control the client side cause they're clever enough to recognise it's a war they can't win.

and i wouldn't play a game that bugged my pc so i can exclusively use it only for gaming

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vio wrote:

and i wouldn't play a game that bugged my pc so i can exclusively use it only for gaming

Not sure what you mean here.