Development Manifesto: Harvest Crafting

Or how about, "consumes an annulment orb (or 2 annulment orbs) when applying a remove modifier".

Another would be, "consumes an exalted orb (or 2) when applying an add modifier".

This could make the other currencies useful again.

I don't know, i'm noob.

I remember me playing this game in beta, i was playing quite a few leagues here and there, yet NEVER have i ever completed one or even played one for so long like in Ritual. Only because i was able to actually get some gear and do end game without sitting there 24/7, i have managed to complete all challenges at the end, just because of harvest. Now get rid of it without giving us alternative, thanks :) great business decisions...

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Mark my words, if harvest will go thru with these changes, and it will turn as another “welp, grove, ignore” mechanics, everyone will be paying for that mistake.

this so much!

the 1% can't seem to fathom that when 99% of the playerbase leaves because of horrible decisions... then who will be left to sell crafted items too?

none!

no one will be there to sell items to!

Why nerfing the best crafting mechanic besides bestiary?
You literally need dozens of exalts to slam an item to perfect and i am
not the type of person who gets this by farming w/o harvest.
So this game turns more and more in a game where only experts could have a nice gaming experience...
Stronger bosses, harder content but nerfing the shit out of Builds and mechanics...

Better solve your performance issues and fix your trade system than nerfing everything...

I love all the content PoE has to offer but what is wrong having a game where getting perfect item is also reachable for time to time players and not only for 24/7 streamers...

Just my opinion, looking forward to the next league :D

These changes are terrible. For someone with non-infinite time to invest into the game, harvest allowed us to have a decent enough gear to complete all content with decent non-meta builds. With these changes, we are back at using the same boring af fotm builds. Do not implement these changes please, GGG

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Zepepsico wrote:

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HowToGusta wrote:

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If you want to cater to the 1% of elite players in SC, why don't you stop going to work? Fair play if that's your vision, but don't bring your 'hardcore' game design ideologies to standard/league softcore for the majority.

I think you misunderstand "hardcore": in some context it is indeed the "1 life league", but generally in the context of PoE game design, it just means "harder game than casuals"

And PoE was clearly marketed, from the onset as a hardcore game, where you could die in the very first map. You cannot just then show up and demand the game to be made "easy". It is supposed to be hard (definition of what is hard may vary), but the seence of the game, its soul is that it is supposed to be a hard, unforgiving game. I may be Marmite or Vegemite, some will love it, some will hate it, but this is fine.
The game is not intended to cater for casual players. When I have too much work or family obligations, I skip a league or two, and that is fine too.

You're misunderstanding me.

The game is punishing which is fine and should still be in SC. I'm just trying to help distinguish HC from SC and elite/HC players from casual players.

'POE marketed as hardcore from onset' - so, GGG's decisions are not to be questioned if it is to make the game more challenging?

What is not taken into consideration is how much POE has grown in casual players and whilst the vision to stay hardcore is perfectly acceptable, why would a game shy from evolution? GGG can still keep the game challenging and punishing but learn to fix existing mechanics to increase interest in the game, player retention and overall enjoyment for the majority. And if GGG keeps going down this path, what happens to POE and POE 2 when the majority decide not to support GGG anymore for the decisions they have made? Simply put, the game will cease to exist.

Chris and dev team can make the game however they choose and stick to their values and their vision of what they want their game to be like, but as a game developer as well as a business, they need to consider the future of POE.

If they honestly think this will benefit them in the long run, fine, I can live with that, time will tell.

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SuperDumbo wrote:

All big and small streamers complaining now on Youtube. It's almost like they want Chris to be fired. That much the "Devs" are out of touch with this game.

Well, here is the thing. I’m not saying that there isn’t any streamers legit pissed at that but a lot of them are forced to act this way. They live off this game and streaming, and what seems to over the head of a lot of folks here is that VAST MAJORITY of casual and average player base is absolutely devastated with these changes, and if these people will disapprove any streamer, guess what, they are out. So, like it or not, streamers, no lifers, service providers and 1%ers rely on that “casual crowd” and “whining masses”. Without these people this game will “wilt like a crop” in very short time. So bottom line, streamers have to please the “crowd”, even though they are the ones who originally complained about harvest being too op.

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Zepepsico wrote:

I am afraid your perception can't really stand against the facts:

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League Launch peak Weekend after Drop
Harvest 127k 81k -36%
Delirium 133k 100k -25%
Metamorph 118k 96k -19%
Blight 75k 54k -28%
Legion 114k 95k -17%
Synthesis 113k 77k -32%
Betrayal 123k 106k -14%
Delve 76k 65k -14%
Incursion 96k 83k -14%
Bestiary 82k 68k -17%
Abyss 70k 63k -10%
Harbinger 98k 90k -8%
Legacy 64k 53k -17%
Breach 47k 43k -9%
Essence 33k 31k -6%
Prophecy 26k 22k -15%
Perandus 37k 32k -14%
Talisman 22k 20k -9%
Warbands / Tempest 32k 29k -9%
Torment / Bloodlines 14k 12k -15%
Rampage / Beyond 25k 20k -20%
Ambush / Invasion 20k 17k -15%
Domination / Nemesis 34k 32k -6%

On Steam, Harvest had the worst retention numbers (not sure if Heist was worst or better). Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/hi47ig/harvest_league_broke_historical_records_for/

If this league is a success, it's because of the Atlas rework (it's fun), the Maven missions (it's fun), Ritual (it's fun and more mobs and more loot!). Yes some players like, adore, worship harvest, but the limited evidence we have is that players absolutely hated the original Harvest league.

Well thats because of the Garden - you have to put up a garden like a chore.
Plan your layout, plant your seeds, run xx maps to make your garden rdy etc. How much time did u waste just to plan your most effcient garden?
Of course not many could see beyond that point the garden could offer after a couple of days since the league mechanic at the beginning wasnt fun at all. I remember i also hadnt that much fun during the first week, i was nearly bout to quit the league and waiting for the next league until i saw some posts/guides about how the league was intended to play to make full use of it.

This league you just find the Grove with a rdy to pick up Garden - kill those monsters, harvest your mods - thats why it is more fun than in harvest league itself.
But yeah it can also be the new content in this current League (Maven + Ritual + Harvest is back but easier to use)

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N4rk0tyk wrote:

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SuperDumbo wrote:

All big and small streamers complaining now on Youtube. It's almost like they want Chris to be fired. That much the "Devs" are out of touch with this game.

Well, here is the thing. I’m not saying that there isn’t any streamers legit pissed at that but a lot of them are forced to act this way. They live off this game and streaming, and what seems to over the head of a lot of folks here is that VAST MAJORITY of casual and average player base is absolutely devastated with these changes, and if these people will disapprove any streamer, guess what, they are out. So, like it or not, streamers, no lifers, service providers and 1%ers rely on that “casual crowd” and “whining masses”. Without these people this game will “wilt like a crop” in very short time. So bottom line, streamers have to please the “crowd”, even though they are the ones who originally complained about harvest being too op.

To an extent, you're right. Most streamers don't care enough to sit in their hideout for 10 hours every day crafting. Most crafters that do big crafts don't stream because they siphon money from RMTers or RMT themselves, or they exploit things like 6 boxing feared/beasts and obtain currency by illegal means. I made over 20mirrors this league and I still didn't come close to anything worth mirroring, and I self craft a lot. I also know that most people tune into my stream during a crafting session usually end up leaving unless you're someone like SKCLoudy or path of math who crafts for memes.

We want to be able to quickly craft usable gear and blast maps or content. Not sit in hideout for 10 hours, and lose all of our currency. So yes, the majority of us "streamers/nolifers" are mad as well.