Why is pathofmatth banned?

Doesn't matter when or what time he insults someone like that. Ban him. Doesn't matter the perception. Take care of your own. People who condone behavior like that, the game is better off without them. It isn't about justice or anything else, GGG isn't a court of law. Cut the toxicity off at the source and you get a better end product.

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pvb32978 wrote:

If I was in charge of a company, and someone called me or any one of my employees a bald re**** they would get banned permanently for that. Because you have to look after your people, period. And GGG is the kind of stand up company that looks after their people.

I am sincerely glad the odds of you ever being in charge of a large company are slim to none. Banning people's speech, even if its within their right to do it as a private company is never good. It seems ok until the tables get turned on you down the road and you find yourself silenced for something you didnt think was egregious.

In fact if it was me I would find your comment even more offensive. Im the CEO of a multi million dollar game and you think I am so weak I cant handle the screeching insult of an angry twitch guy? I need to be coddled so bad that someone with a history of saying angry crap is banned to keep me safe?

I think much higher of Chris than that.

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gladiatorpie wrote:

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pvb32978 wrote:

If I was in charge of a company, and someone called me or any one of my employees a bald re**** they would get banned permanently for that. Because you have to look after your people, period. And GGG is the kind of stand up company that looks after their people.

I am sincerely glad the odds of you ever being in charge of a large company are slim to none. Banning people's speech, even if its within their right to do it as a private company is never good. It seems ok until the tables get turned on you down the road and you find yourself silenced for something you didnt think was egregious.

In fact if it was me I would find your comment even more offensive. Im the CEO of a multi million dollar game and you think I am so weak I cant handle the screeching insult of an angry twitch guy? I need to be coddled so bad that someone with a history of saying angry crap is banned to keep me safe?

I think much higher of Chris than that.

The largest tech companies in the world (Apple / Google / Microsoft / Amazon / Facebook) adopt a similar no tolerance approach within their code of conduct. There are many public cases of people getting fired due to them exercising their self entitled Karen "freedom of speech". And the courts accordingly throw out whatever lawsuit in their process since it lacks any sense of merit.

If your subordinate calls you a retard in front of the company would you

(i) Reprimand and fire him on the spot
(ii) Congratulate him on his guts and promote him above you

I think we all know what the answer would be.

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gladiatorpie wrote:

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pvb32978 wrote:

If I was in charge of a company, and someone called me or any one of my employees a bald re**** they would get banned permanently for that. Because you have to look after your people, period. And GGG is the kind of stand up company that looks after their people.

I am sincerely glad the odds of you ever being in charge of a large company are slim to none. Banning people's speech, even if its within their right to do it as a private company is never good. It seems ok until the tables get turned on you down the road and you find yourself silenced for something you didnt think was egregious.

In fact if it was me I would find your comment even more offensive. Im the CEO of a multi million dollar game and you think I am so weak I cant handle the screeching insult of an angry twitch guy? I need to be coddled so bad that someone with a history of saying angry crap is banned to keep me safe?

I think much higher of Chris than that.

I see you aren't familiar with being in charge of a large division. Chris did not ban this guy. He has people for that, and his people are looking out for him and his company. Banning peoples speech within a company is always good if it is derogatory and defamatory. There are entire teams of lawyers employed by large companies to enforce this. Not sure where you are coming up with the things you are saying, but they aren't exactly grounded in experience I'm guessing.

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DAKKONx wrote:

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gladiatorpie wrote:

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pvb32978 wrote:

If I was in charge of a company, and someone called me or any one of my employees a bald re**** they would get banned permanently for that. Because you have to look after your people, period. And GGG is the kind of stand up company that looks after their people.

I am sincerely glad the odds of you ever being in charge of a large company are slim to none. Banning people's speech, even if its within their right to do it as a private company is never good. It seems ok until the tables get turned on you down the road and you find yourself silenced for something you didnt think was egregious.

In fact if it was me I would find your comment even more offensive. Im the CEO of a multi million dollar game and you think I am so weak I cant handle the screeching insult of an angry twitch guy? I need to be coddled so bad that someone with a history of saying angry crap is banned to keep me safe?

I think much higher of Chris than that.

The largest tech companies in the world (Apple / Google / Microsoft / Amazon / Facebook) adopt a similar no tolerance approach within their code of conduct. There are many public cases of people getting fired due to them exercising their self entitled Karen "freedom of speech". And the courts accordingly throw out whatever lawsuit in their process since it lacks any sense of merit.

If your subordinate calls you a retard in front of the company would you

(i) Reprimand and fire him on the spot
(ii) Congratulate him on his guts and promote him above you

I think we all know what the answer would be.

What your saying makes sense if it was Twitch banning him. He basically works for Twitch; not GGG.

My entire issue with this whole debacle is I personally believe it should have been Twitch that banned Path, and not GGG.

Because this opens up the possibilities down the road for other gaming companies, or even GGG, to ban people because they dont like what they say.

Twitch should be the ones stepping in to shut these guys down, since they are basically working on their platform.

I just dont like the idea that a game company can start silencing critics by banning their accounts. At some point it becomes someone who isnt hated like PathofMath, and then you have already crossed that bridge allowing it beforehand.

This 100% should have been a ban by Twitch, and handled by Twitch. Just like, you dont get perma-banned from games because you said something bad on reddit. You get banned from reddit.

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Destructodave wrote:

What your saying makes sense if it was Twitch banning him. He basically works for Twitch; not GGG.

My entire issue with this whole debacle is I personally believe it should have been Twitch that banned Path, and not GGG.

Because this opens up the possibilities down the road for other gaming companies, or even GGG, to ban people because they dont like what they say.

Twitch should be the ones stepping in to shut these guys down, since they are basically working on their platform.

I just dont like the idea that a game company can start silencing critics by banning their accounts. At some point it becomes someone who isnt hated like PathofMath, and then you have already crossed that bridge allowing it beforehand.

This 100% should have been a ban by Twitch, and handled by Twitch. Just like, you dont get perma-banned from games because you said something bad on reddit. You get banned from reddit.

If an employee at Apple goes to Twitter and says Apple is the most corrupt company in the world and is involved in force child labour in Xinjiang. Would you expect Twitter to ban him or Apple to fire him?

The use of public mediums for communication does not absolve us of the responsibilities. We can't use the platform to shield us from what *WE* said.

I think You are thinking of libel and slander. No one is going after someone in a legal manner for an insult like this unless they think they can prove it was harmful to the company. And I actually do have some experience in this regard because my company has an entire team dedicated to scouring the internet and removing posts/media they think are unbecoming of the company. Note I said remove and not ban/fire. You would have to throw something way out there to get fired.

Also Mattt is not an employee of GGG. He makes money from their game sure but he is not on company payroll. So in my mind this is different than a boss/subordinate deal.

But its whatever. I never usually get involved in stuff like this online because its such a god awful way to communicate

1. Chris is handsome young man with great sense of fashing style and fun company irl and in discord.
2. Path of math did nuthing wrong(he did but it is good meme) but I still believe that it was not quite enough to get him perma banned.

Path of math is Alex Jones of the PoE video community, it is personality. I bet he meant none of that poop. Chris's hairstyle has nothing to do with quality of the game or his IQ, and path is smart enough to know that too.

Did he do this to bait drama(=clicks)? Maybe, and maybe it was real f** up like Pewdiepie saying n-word on the bridge. Eitherway it was not nice thing to say and he better properly apologize instead of tripling down in following days.

No reason to apologize, the account is banned and GGG has told him they will ban him again if he makes a new account.

At this point I would go on world tour taking pot shots at the company any chance I got.

Give someone no recourse and there is no reason to apologize.

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DAKKONx wrote:

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Destructodave wrote:

What your saying makes sense if it was Twitch banning him. He basically works for Twitch; not GGG.

My entire issue with this whole debacle is I personally believe it should have been Twitch that banned Path, and not GGG.

Because this opens up the possibilities down the road for other gaming companies, or even GGG, to ban people because they dont like what they say.

Twitch should be the ones stepping in to shut these guys down, since they are basically working on their platform.

I just dont like the idea that a game company can start silencing critics by banning their accounts. At some point it becomes someone who isnt hated like PathofMath, and then you have already crossed that bridge allowing it beforehand.

This 100% should have been a ban by Twitch, and handled by Twitch. Just like, you dont get perma-banned from games because you said something bad on reddit. You get banned from reddit.

If an employee at Apple goes to Twitter and says Apple is the most corrupt company in the world and is involved in force child labour in Xinjiang. Would you expect Twitter to ban him or Apple to fire him?

The use of public mediums for communication does not absolve us of the responsibilities. We can't use the platform to shield us from what *WE* said.

Again, Path doesnt work for GGG. Your Apple example doesnt work. The only person Path works for, is Twitch.

Path just plays their game. He is not a GGG employee. What your saying is more akin to say, a Twitter employee bad mouthing Nike about Child labor, and they show up to his house to take their shoes back. Again, its not a perfect example by any means, but the point I'm trying to make is Path is not a GGG employee so you cannot keep making employee/employer relations, even if he's playing their game.

If a basketball player loses his shoe deal, they dont come to his house and take all their nikes away; they just stop the deal. Just like, GGG could stop promoting the guy and doing sponsored activities with him. Hes really just a consumer in the end.

And again, your arguing against me as if I believe he shoudlnt be banned. This is why I hate these kinds of discussions, becuase you become forced into a black or white situation, even though your in the grey. Me not liking what GGG did, is causing people to force me into the Defend camp and that 100% isn't it. I think these kinds of people should be banned on Twitch, by Twitch. I dont want to see Game companies overstep and start banning people becuase they dont like what they say. But I do think t hese kinds of toxic parts of the community shouldnt be given a platform on Twitch to spew it out. Twitch is basically his place of employement; not GGG.

So again, I 100% think Path should be banned. I'm not defending him at all. But I do think the ban should have been handed out by Twitch for personal attacks and toxicity, and not a game ban by GGG. GGG can punish him in other ways, like never sponsoring the guy again, etc.